Hi all, I'm new to the Conclave, a long time 40k player, but new to Inquisitor! My gaming group has decided that our Spring gaming campaign is going to be Inquisitor, with several of us having never played.
I play Eldar in 40k and will be running with an Eldar warband which will be loosely based on the Eldar character rules (albeit with toned down stats to allow me to have a decent sized warband without being overpowering).
I'll initially be running with a few Rangers and a Pirate Prince, but am already planning a variety of figures including a Harlequin.
Anyway, as it's the modelling section, here's my first two WIP Rangers from the Telennar craftworld:
L Haran Lannil, R Auel the Younger:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/WIPEldar1.jpg)
Haran is simply the bog-standard Ranger model, Auel makes use of his spare bits plus the lovely Legolas model by Andrea.
Here's some more views of Auel:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/WIPEldar2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/WIPEldar3.jpg)
Auel will be getting a set of shoulder pads plus some other Eldar items to lose the Legolas look! I hope you like them; I've been very much inspired by the models showcased on the forums and am hoping to do some good work of my own :)
A nice set of rangers you have so far. The first is rather stock, but I don't mind as it's probably one of my favorite models.
Also, very inspired conversion with Legolas, the conversion is very organic even before the shoulder pads are on. There are a lot of fantasy models that end up looking just like medieval warriors carrying machine guns but yours looks great.
I love the Eldar Ranger model, and have two (my Inquisitor is one). The Legolas model really does look look organic, i'm quite a fan of that conversion.
Legolas looks great. I look forward to seeing more. How many models are you aiming for in the end?
Thanks all! Glad you like. The first Ranger is stock because there are so few decent Elf models around and I wanted to make best use of what is a lovely model.
Quote from: Adlan on December 30, 2010, 07:12:59 AM
Legolas looks great. I look forward to seeing more. How many models are you aiming for in the end?
I have the parts for the first 4, with 3 more figures on order, plus plans for something bigger. I suppose as a warband, I'll limit it to 3-5, but as a modelling project it will be much more :)
Quote from: axiom on December 30, 2010, 12:16:56 AM
I play Eldar in 40k and will be running with an Eldar warband which will be loosely based on the Eldar character rules (albeit with toned down stats to allow me to have a decent sized warband without being overpowering).
I'd just keep the stats as they are - otherwise you lose something of the experience of playing an Eldar. Two rangers would make a good sized warband - easily able to take on the 3-4 characters your opponents should be using. By all means build more so you can swap between characters, but you don't need more. If you haven't played before, don't make the mistake of using too many characters at once - for a good sized, fast-paced game you want no more than about ten models on the table (including NPCs), with each player having 3-4 at most.
The Legolas conversion is nicely done - he still looks a bit human, so a few jewels, amulets and other Eldar iconography wouldn't go amiss. What models have you bought/ordered for the other characters?
Quote from: Kaled on December 30, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: axiom on December 30, 2010, 12:16:56 AM
I play Eldar in 40k and will be running with an Eldar warband which will be loosely based on the Eldar character rules (albeit with toned down stats to allow me to have a decent sized warband without being overpowering).
I'd just keep the stats as they are - otherwise you lose something of the experience of playing an Eldar. Two rangers would make a good sized warband - easily able to take on the 3-4 characters your opponents should be using. By all means build more so you can swap between characters, but you don't need more. If you haven't played before, don't make the mistake of using too many characters at once - for a good sized, fast-paced game you want no more than about ten models on the table (including NPCs), with each player having 3-4 at most.
The Legolas conversion is nicely done - he still looks a bit human, so a few jewels, amulets and other Eldar iconography wouldn't go amiss. What models have you bought/ordered for the other characters?
Thanks for the advice on the Eldar warband! I've ordered a fair selection of models; an El Viejo Jacobite for my Pirate Prince, an El Viejo Egyptian will become a Harlequin, La Meridian's William Clark is another Ranger, plus I have a selection of bits and pieces to work from.
I've tried to steer away from the 54mm Elves on the market as they're all a bit too fantasy (that said, I'm struggling for heads and am looking into getting a selection sculpted for me!).
I'll be interested to see how they come out - I quickly Googled those models and, assuming I found the right ones, they didn't immediately strike me as Eldar. That said, models can quickly change their feel when you start converting.
As for heads, it might be worth posting on the Arcadian Smugglers Ring (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arcadiansmugglers/). I don't know where you're located, but you might be able to find someone who has some they're willing to trade (I'm not sure, but I might still have a spare head from Andrea's Ithandir). I guess you don't have many bits to trade, but you might have something that catches someone's eye...
Quote from: Kaled on December 30, 2010, 03:16:00 PM
I'll be interested to see how they come out - I quickly Googled those models and, assuming I found the right ones, they didn't immediately strike me as Eldar. That said, models can quickly change their feel when you start converting.
As for heads, it might be worth posting on the Arcadian Smugglers Ring (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arcadiansmugglers/). I don't know where you're located, but you might be able to find someone who has some they're willing to trade (I'm not sure, but I might still have a spare head from Andrea's Ithandir). I guess you don't have many bits to trade, but you might have something that catches someone's eye...
There's a fair amount of converting to do on all of the figures, but I think some selective addition of parts and a suitable paint scheme will do wonders! The Egyptian (for example) is purely in for the pose. I'll need to pretty much sculpt over the figure:
(http://www.elgrecominiatures.co.uk/contents/media/CG103.gif)
With regard to the Andrea head is it the bare or he helmeted version? I don't have much on offer, but could let you have the bare Eldar Ranger head if that was of any interest. I'll check out the Arcadian Smugglers too - thanks for the link!
Quote from: Kaled on December 30, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
I'd just keep the stats as they are - otherwise you lose something of the experience of playing an Eldar. Two rangers would make a good sized warband - easily able to take on the 3-4 characters your opponents should be using. By all means build more so you can swap between characters, but you don't need more. If you haven't played before, don't make the mistake of using too many characters at once - for a good sized, fast-paced game you want no more than about ten models on the table (including NPCs), with each player having 3-4
QFT.
I agree whole heartedly with kaled. These models look so promising it'd be a shame to fail them in the rules, when one of the advantages of the game is accurately representing characters. If you are worried about numbers perhaps two rangers (on the low end of elder stats) and a familiar might feel better.
Some more progress - Ilar now has a pair of shoulder pads plus a few amulets (you can't see them too well in the pic). I'll be starting to paint him over the next couple of evenings seeing as none of my other figures have landed yet!
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/WIPEldar4.jpg)
So La Meridian's William Clark arived today, and while the sculpt is great, the detailing is lovely and I could do good things with the figure, he's suffering from a case of giganticism! His shoulders are several milimetres above the GW Ranger, his hands are 10-15% larger and his head is 50% larger. Needless to say he looks ridiculous next to the Ranger (which is already a tall =I= model).
A bit of an expensive mistake that one. It seems not all 54mm figures are equal!
Yes, 54mm models vary in stature a great deal - even within the GW range some are bigger/smaller than others. Which I think is a good thing on two counts - firstly, people come in all shapes and sizes so it's good that models do too, and secondly, it makes it easier to use models from other manufacturers without them looking out of place.
Nevertheless, it is annoying when you get a model and find he doesn't fit the plans you have for him. Guess it means it's time for you to start a new warband!
EDIT: Do you have a link for La Meridian? I don't think I know that manufacturer...
EDIT2: Just found it - turns out I do recognise some of their miniatures;
http://www.meridianaitalia.com/
I'll add them to the resources list.
I love that Legolas conversion! Conclavers never cease to amaze me with their skill and imagination.
I wonder if he would look good with a bionic eye a bit like this:
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs50/PRE/i/2009/306/4/8/Eldar_Pirate_by_paranoimiac.jpg
R.
That is sweet! I need to order a Legalos!
Quote from: precinctomega on January 05, 2011, 12:26:58 PM
I love that Legolas conversion! Conclavers never cease to amaze me with their skill and imagination.
I wonder if he would look good with a bionic eye a bit like this:
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs50/PRE/i/2009/306/4/8/Eldar_Pirate_by_paranoimiac.jpg
R.
It was a really simple conversion - the ranger long rifle was pretty much made to fit the Legolas model :) I did think of adding something like a bionic eye, but given that the stock GW model has one, I figured not every member of my warband has to have one ;)
He's now about 50% painted - hoping to have in done by the weekend.
Sweet, can't wait to see the painted version!
If he doesn't already have a shuriken pistol, maybe you could add one based on the design PO created for his Solitaire? Fourth picture down in this (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159530) thread. It's nice and compact and could work very well on this guy.
And the newest member (direct from the Russian plastic thread!):
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/RussianEldar2.jpg)
So, I've been scratching around trying to find suitable heads for some of the other members of my Eldar warband - after all, I don't want everyone to look like a clone! After trying to track down a couple of Andrea Elf heads to no avail, I went down what will probably be a more satisfying route - getting some sculpted.
As I have no sculpting ability myself, I engaged the very excellent John Pickford (Otherworld Games and a few Hasslefree figures) - here are his very WIP 'sketch sculpts' of a bare and helmeted head. Please reserve judgement on these as there's lots of work to go.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/IMG_1392.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/IMG_1390.jpg)
The helmet needs squaring up and detailing, the bare head shape and teeth are to be worked on (and hair etc added).
These are specifically designed in the first instance to be fully compatible with the GW Ranger (although no head will be a direct copy of any GW design), but should equally work for any Space Elf figure. My plan is to have 4 heads in total (1 bare, 1 gas mask, 2 helmet) and to get a few sets cast up (if there's any interest I can keep you informed of any progress on that front). More progress here as and when.
I'm really liking those heads. Your commitment to making a full and varied Eldar warband is fantastic, I don't know if I've seen a more unique set of Eldar yet. I feel as though many (myself included) tend to get lazy with Eldar conversions and end up using lots of bulky bitz just because they're available which results in rather un-Eldar models, not here though!
Consider me interested if those heads get caste once finalized.
Quote from: axiom on January 22, 2011, 12:12:40 AM
After trying to track down a couple of Andrea Elf heads to no avail
I don't remember seeing I reply last time I offered, but I've got one - the Ithandir head without a helmet. Send me a PM if you're interested in a trade...
I admire the fact that you're willing to sculpt when a bit is unavailable.
As I am currently struggling with a sculpting project of my own and the fact that those are professional quality, you think you could give me a couple of pointers?
Quote from: Elva on January 22, 2011, 11:34:09 PM
I admire the fact that you're willing to sculpt when a bit is unavailable.
As I am currently struggling with a sculpting project of my own and the fact that those are professional quality, you think you could give me a couple of pointers?
I'd love to take the credit, but I'm not sculpting these myself but am having them sculpted for me by a professional sculptor :) I can pass on any nuggets of advice I'm given, but my sculpting ability is extremely limited!
Anything would be appreciated. My Prawn project is trying my patience a bit too much for my liking.
Quote from: Elva on January 23, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
Anything would be appreciated. My Prawn project is trying my patience a bit too much for my liking.
I'll see if John can drop us some tips :)
Right, some work of my own - a WIP Harlequin. This uses the El Viejo Dragon Egyptian Infantryman as a base:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin3.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin4.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin5.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlequin6.jpg)
I still need to work out what to do with his mask, belnd the joins at the arms and add some more detail to the belt, but the base of the model is there!
I ended up clipping away the bulk of the Egyptian's kilt and filed him down a new set of buttocks! The toes were simply greenstuffed, as was the belt, thigh sash and a few other bits and pieces. I then accessoriesed heavily - the mask is from the Paulson Games Bio-Abomination, the collar from a high elf mage, the topknot is from a Tau female special character (I forget the name) and the backpack comes from a RT eldar standard bearer. The kiss is a small eldar weapon bit (I think from a Reaper launcher0 mated with the thermic lance from the new Dark Eldar Reavers. Think that's everything!
So - the mask. I have three options - leave is largely as is, make it entirely blank by filling in the slits, or attempt to sculpt a face. My worry is, that I am rubbish as sculpting anything other than simple flat shapes!
Quote from: Elva on January 23, 2011, 02:53:57 PM
Anything would be appreciated. My Prawn project is trying my patience a bit too much for my liking.
Having taken on a few dauniting modelling projects myself Elva, it's worth persevering. I find I improve constantly the more I do, and it's always worth it even if the result isn't great. You can always build on the experience and go back for a second try.
I couldn't quite see how that egyptian was going to work axiom but you've really transformed it. Looking good. The mask isn't a classical harlequin look but I quite like it how it is. As I recall plenty of herlequins have blank masks in a kind of pattern rather than a face. Might be worth checking that doesn't mean they're a solitaire though. :)
The harlequin looks awesome. I didn't recognise it from the base model! where is the mask from?
Quote from: Adam Cunis on January 25, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
The harlequin looks awesome. I didn't recognise it from the base model! where is the mask from?
It's from Paulson Games Bio Terror:
(http://www.paulsongames.com/i/resin/bio-terror.jpg)
I pre-ordered one when they were first available and it was shipped with two masks, so the spare was perfect for the Harlie.
EDIT: I had a go at attempting to sculpt the face following the lines of one of the current harlies who has a half-blank, half-grinning mask:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/HarlequinMask1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/HarlequinMask2.jpg)
I still need to add the mouth grill, but it will do I reckon :)
Very nice work - the mask really looks great.
Any progress on the painting side of things?
I hope you're able to at least pop into the IGT so we can see them in the flesh.
Quote from: Kaled on January 25, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Very nice work - the mask really looks great.
Any progress on the painting side of things?
I hope you're able to at least pop into the IGT so we can see them in the flesh.
I started painting the Legolas Ranger, but I'm not happy with the paint scheme - I need to start afresh with a different pallette I think.
If I can make it down to the IGT, I will, after all it's only round the corner :)
great work on the harlequin - what part(s) is the kiss made out of??
I am not a big fan of space Elves, but these are great conversions. Nice work!
It would be brilliant to see these at the IGT.
R.
Thanks all :)
Quote from: Heroka Vendile on January 25, 2011, 11:56:52 PM
great work on the harlequin - what part(s) is the kiss made out of??
The black part at the rear I've realised is a section from the Eldar Autarch reaper missile launcher. The front part is a cut down thermic lance from the new plastic Dark Eldar Reaver jetbikes
One more member of the warband before I take a break! I've got several more planned with some new heads courtesy of Kaled (thanks Dave!), but I want to get these guys painted first.
Anyway, shuriken cannons are probably too nasty for Inquisitor, so he'll only get the odd outing, but I do love the pose:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Shurikencannon.jpg)
The figure is Andrea's Dancing with Wolves Kevin Costner, with Maugan Ra's cannon and the hooded Ranger head. The tabard is a spare part from the Legolas cloak from the first conversion.
Finally, a group shot:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Warband.jpg)
Best. Eldar. Warband. Ever.
I have to agree with Adam, I am taking so many notes down of ideas to translate into my planned eldar pirate warband.
Brilliant use of the wolf dancer figure. Although I don't see why you don't just field him as with a shuriken catapult, rather than cannon - it is the right size scale-wise after all.
Perhaps a customised one, allowing the use of Shrieker rounds? After all, this is Inquisitor, and we are not limited to the weapons that appear in the Codex.
Let me GM. I will kill them. :)
It never hurts to have some heavier models around for when the scenario requires it, and this conversion really works, which is the primary consideration. I wouldn't actually consider a guys with a shuriken cannon much less over the top than a harlequin, judgin by some of the profiles I've seen for them. At the end of the day, inquisitor is quite flexible and with a bit of work you should be able to get use out of him.
And, as others have said, great looking band.
Thanks for the great comments everybody - really pleased these guys are hitting the right spot ;)
Quote from: Heroka Vendile on January 27, 2011, 11:47:21 PM
Although I don't see why you don't just field him as with a shuriken catapult, rather than cannon - it is the right size scale-wise after all.
I think it's a bit large - the guy 2nd from right in the group shot has a shuriken catapult (plastic avenger catapult), which is about right given the massive overscaling of 28mm weapons :)
I agree with the others that, in their unpainted state, they're one of the nicest Eldar parties I've ever seen. However, how they'll look with paint on remains to be seen!
As for the shuriken cannon, I think it's just right. The weapons in 40K tend to the over-large. At 54mm, these look streamlined and deadly, rather than cumbersome.
However, an Eldar band will suffer some natural disadvantages in the Battle for the Emperor's Soul. We'll have to see how that plays out.
R.
Great work, I look forward to seeing them complete.
Nice warband. They all look good, but that harlequin looks excellent. I never saw the potential in the model that you based it on (curse me for a fool.)
I am really looking forward to seeing these models painted.
QuoteBest. Eldar. Warband. Ever.
Took the words right out of my head.
Really fantastic warband there though, you've honestly set the bar as far as I'm concerned. By far the best translation I've seen of Eldar into Inquisitor. There have been the odd well put together models but never in such numbers, would love to see how they perform in a battle report.
Also, look out for a PM, I may look to recruit you into something sinister ;D
Once again thanks all!
I discovered last night, that whilst it's impossible to paint with a sleeping 3-month old on your lap, it IS possible to convert up another model (slightly less precision required, and less fiddling about with liquids!).
So although I said I'd not make any more before the first lot were painted, I ended up converting an Eldar Pirate (possibly a Pirate Prince). I wanted to make a flamboyant dandy-esque character, with nods to some of the costumes worn by the new Harlequins (frock coats, thigh length boots etc). Romeo models do a very nice Prussian Infantry officer which had the feel I was after:
(http://www.historexagents.com/images/r1/rm54-97.jpg)
Add a new head (thanks Kaled), swap out the cane for an Eldar sword, and this is the result:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Pirate1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Pirate2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Pirate3.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Pirate4.jpg)
He's deliberately left pretty close to the original figure as I love the pose and details :)
That is astoundingly effective. You have a knack for seeing vast eldar potential where I would never guess it existed.
That is lovely - makes me think of a Michael Moorcock character, though less Melnibone and more Dancers at the End of Time.
Love all the eldar models as i said with the tau thread earlier a lovely change from all the imperial imagery
The Pirate Prince looks excellent. I think that it would look even better if you altered the angle of his left arm (bent the elbow more, or straightened it completely) and put a pistol in his hand. Something about the arm not resting on the post makes it look a little bit odd.
Actually, to me it looks like he's about to drop a piece of cloth - probably to show off that he can kill a whole bunch of Mon-keigh before it touches the ground.
Quote from: kierkegaard on February 01, 2011, 04:27:56 PM
The Pirate Prince looks excellent. I think that it would look even better if you altered the angle of his left arm (bent the elbow more, or straightened it completely) and put a pistol in his hand. Something about the arm not resting on the post makes it look a little bit odd.
I agonised over this and decided against adding a pistol because I really liked the feel of the figure as is. I'm not sure if you would notice the missing post if it wasn't in the original picture as it looks more natural in real life. But in the absence of anything else, I'm going with DapperAnarchist's explanation ;)
One assumes they are in fact originally meant to be gloves? In which case I think it looks perfectly fine be they gloves/handkerchief/cloth/treasure map. I also think the pose looks fine as is, looks like he's actually doing something rather than being stood on parade.
Whilst I understand the restriction on painting caused by small children only too well, I really can't wait to see what you do with these guys paint-wise.
R.
OK, some paint, with the new paint scheme. The Harlequin was begging me to be painted, so here he is! I still need to do the base, and there's probably one or two areas to tidy up:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlie1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlie2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlie3.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Harlie4.jpg)
Hope you like him - I think he came together well after all the planning! The encouragement on the mask has paid off I think - I'm really pleased I attempted to sculpt the grinning face :)
Let me know what you think!
Great job. Really vibrant. I would personally have painted some checks. The pirate looks incredible too, I missed the conversion before. Very very cool.
Very creepy, especially the little hearts. Mind you, harlequins are pretty creepy customers. In all, I think it suits him.
The pirate prince looks good, very poised and composed.
He's brilliant - I love the character and the 'caught in the moment' pose! The face especially is great, though I probably would have chosen a different colour for the mask.
White doesn't really allow you to show the relief as well, and the sculpting is so good I would have tried to show it off as well as I could.
well if this painting standard continues with the rest of the warband, they really are going to make a wonderful set.
Love it :D
Excellent work on the Harlequin - it looks nothing like the original model, which is a testament to your skills.
I saw this (http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/27/masquesarlecchino.jpg) online and it made me think of this blog...
Thanks all for the comments and feedback - it's great to hear & I'm glad the figure works well.
Quote from: Adam Cunis on February 03, 2011, 12:51:41 AM
Great job. Really vibrant. I would personally have painted some checks.
I do like checks on Harlies, but in all honesty my painting isn't up to it - my straight lines are rarely straight, and it was an easier option to do hearts!
Quote from: Molotov on February 03, 2011, 02:52:07 PMI saw this (http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/27/masquesarlecchino.jpg) online and it made me think of this blog...
I wish I had those painting and converting abilities - that figure is REAL skill :)
Quote from: Ulgavitch on February 03, 2011, 08:08:18 AMThe face especially is great, though I probably would have chosen a different colour for the mask. White doesn't really allow you to show the relief as well
It doesn't look as flat in real life - I had to colour balance the pic a bit because I'd taken it late at night. Personally I'm a traditionalist with mask colours, and white is the classic GW scheme.
Just to keep you updated, my base for a Gyrinx arrived today - the classic Wood Elf wildcat :)
I realise this may frustrate some of you, but I converted yet another figure in 30 mins over my lunch today (my painting is much slower and I would have barely base-coated a figure in that time). This is my first female Eldar for the warband, based on the Dark Ages Ltd Edition 54mm 'Lucky' (apparently there are only 499 of these, and I've mutilated one!
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/dag5401_1.jpg)
I'm yet to develop a character for her as I only bought the figure on Tuesday, but I'm thinking shell be a psyker. Anyway, onto the pics:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Female.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Female2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Female3.jpg)
I swapped out her pistol for a shuriken pistol, and added her a little cape type affair (I figured Eldar are probably a touch more modest) and waystone arounder her neck. Her hair wasn't at all Eldar-esque, so I chopped it off and sculpted something new. She also has new ears which don't show up that well against the hair. If I'm honest, the hair is just about passable - it's probably too bulky so looks like a wig, and the original hair was a real pain to remove from around the face and my filing was limited because I didn't want to damage any of the features. Oh well, paint hides a multitude of sins!
Finally, here's what will probably be her Gyrinx psychic familiar:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Cat.jpg)
In the end I went for this model (the classic wood elf beastmaster wildcat) because the size was right, although its a bit too 'big cat' like for my taste. I was looking for something like a lynx, but couldn't dind one the right size (I found several which were massive, and a couple which were too small). I discounted a whole array of domestic cats/fantasy cats too before finally settling on this one!
Give the Grynx ear-tufts. That'll make it exactly right, I think.
I confess that, compared to your earlier conversions, I'm not entirely persuaded by Lucky. I couldn't say for sure what I thought was bothering me about her. Possibly her hair is too untidy? Possibly her shoulders are too narrow? Perhaps it's just that I feel the posture lacks elegance.
A paint-job might persuade me otherwise, of course.
R.
Quote from: precinctomega on February 05, 2011, 08:20:25 AM
I confess that, compared to your earlier conversions, I'm not entirely persuaded by Lucky. I couldn't say for sure what I thought was bothering me about her. Possibly her hair is too untidy? Possibly her shoulders are too narrow? Perhaps it's just that I feel the posture lacks elegance.
Funnily enough, you're thinking the same things as me. I quite like the pose myself, but the hair hasn't come together as well as I'd hoped. I may well scrape it off and start again. Can't win them all I suppose!
I'd agree that the issue is the hair, it just doesn't look natural, perhaps some kind of eloborate/ornate head/hairband could be added to make the hair shape appear more likely?
The shoes and the pose just look a little "gutter-punk" for an Eldar, at least IMO. I actually like the hair personally, but again, it lacks the flair and style that really distinguish your other models. I do think, however, that she'd make a good human who emulates Eldar society.
So while I decide what to do with the female (she's currently bald again!), I painted up the second member - the Pirate Prince. He's got the same colour pallete as the Harlequin, but with a dash more blue and a less white:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/PiratePrince.jpg)
And the pair together
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/PaintedWIP.jpg)
The Rangers will be less garish, with their tunics being the blue, but cloaks/overcoats being the same grey as this chap's trousers.
Is is the photo, or does the pirate have his eyes closed or is staring at the floor?
It's a nice paint job though.
Quote from: Ulgavitch on February 07, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
Is is the photo, or does the pirate have his eyes closed or is staring at the floor?
It's a nice paint job though.
Ah. Perhaps I might have missed those pupils...or maybe he's imbued with psychic power which shoots bright white light from his eyes. Yes, that's probably it ;)
Edit: So the female Eldar has lost her wild and uncontrolled back-combed hair do in favour of a sleeker look (I still need to sculpt her some new ears):
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Female5.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Female4.jpg)
She's got a new cowl/hood type arrangement, pet gyrinx and I've also filed down a touch more the mess from the old hairstyle as much as I can without starting to affect the facial details.
Better?
QuoteAh. Perhaps I might have missed those pupils...or maybe he's imbued with psychic power which shoots bright white light from his eyes. Yes, that's probably it
Ahah! You've spoiled your own trap. Now I know what to look out for at the GT: Xenos scum with cyclops style eye energy beams.. Another thing to be afraid of! ;)
Quote from: axiom on February 07, 2011, 03:18:22 PMAh. Perhaps I might have missed those pupils
Bit more than that. Eldar do not have the sclera or a distinct iris - their eyes should appear entirely black, with no "whites" or eye colour at all.
Something to remember when you're doing the rest of them.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on February 07, 2011, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: axiom on February 07, 2011, 03:18:22 PMAh. Perhaps I might have missed those pupils
Bit more than that. Eldar do not have the sclera or a distinct iris - their eyes should appear entirely black, with no "whites" or eye colour at all.
Something to remember when you're doing the rest of them.
Really? I've been playing and painting Eldar since RT and I cannot recall that description anywhere, either written, painted or depicted in artwork (of course I'll happily delete all that out if proved otherwise ;) ). All the early Jes Goodwin sketches (and I bow to him as the definitive source on Eldar) show either pupils, or blank white eyes (which is more common).
Here's some examples (Jes Goodwin sketches from 1989-2009, plus a John Blanche piece from ~1992):
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Headmontage.jpg)
its from Xenology, and Karl Kopinski's Eldar portraits.
i love the new hair and the painting on both the harlequin and the prince looking forward to seeing the rest of this warband painted
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on February 07, 2011, 05:32:15 PM
its from Xenology, and Karl Kopinski's Eldar portraits.
Thanks for the info - it's always useful to see what has been written down and where.
Ah well, I don't put too much veracity to Xenology...like a lot of Black Libarary stuff it got a lot of things slightly...well, different to conventional 40k lore :) I think I prefer JG's interpretation
Lucky definitely looks better like that, although I've still got qualms about her pose.
And is it just me, or does that gyrinx look more like a terrier.
R.
It does a little. The model has a fairly canine pose, and cats tend to look a little leaner around the waist. No doubt it'll be more obviously feline once it's painted and we can see the shape of the face.
While you're sculpting the ears, I'd add a bit of pointy to the nose as well perhaps, might make her look a bit less human. I like the cowl, it works better than the hair did. There is something of the contemplating lesser beings to the pose.
Eldar eyes can't be entirely pupil can they? That wouldn't make sense, not that that's stopped the fluff writers before.
Quote from: Myriad on February 08, 2011, 01:38:38 PMEldar eyes can't be entirely pupil can they? That wouldn't make sense
Look at many mammals. Dogs, guinea pigs, whatever. Many of them have a very wide iris that means the sclera is mostly hidden behind the eye lids.
Take that, then have a very dark iris that is indistinguishable from the pupil (to human eyes, at least*), and an animal with seemingly completely black eyes is perfectly plausible.
*For example, this "dark brown" iris:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Lens5.jpg)
...is mostly indistinguishable from the pupil, so I wouldn't write off something a shade darker, particularly in an alien species.
Quote from: precinctomega on February 08, 2011, 07:33:16 AM
Lucky definitely looks better like that, although I've still got qualms about her pose.
And is it just me, or does that gyrinx look more like a terrier.
R.
Ack - don't say that! Now I can't see anything other than small excitable dog when I look at it...looks like I need to track down another cat :(
Quote from: Myriad on February 08, 2011, 01:38:38 PM
While you're sculpting the ears, I'd add a bit of pointy to the nose as well perhaps
I'll have a try, but the nose is so tiny and I don't want to add a great big honker ;)
Edit: I was just playing about with the warband and took a quick group shot (terrier and all!). Some new figures arrived this morning ready for some conversion work, so think of this as a little teaser shot!
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Warband090211.jpg)
What happened to the initial gyrinx, pictured higher up in the thread than the one you used? Mantic games do a hunting cat roughly the same size as the one used, that might be a more feline looking familiar.
More conversions? It'll be a small army before you know it. Looking forward to seeing what you make of them though.
Apologies, I'm accidently posting in disguise here. :)
I like the finished pirate prince very much. I never would have thought of that model as looking like an Eldar, but you have done a great job there.
I'm not a fan of the 'Lucky' model, but I will reserve judgment until it is painted. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with the new musician and swordsman models in the group photo.
Could you point me in the direction of the cat models that you found that were too big?
Quote from: Holiad on February 08, 2011, 11:30:47 PM
What happened to the initial gyrinx, pictured higher up in the thread than the one you used?
Still going to be used; the little gyrinx is purely decorative rather than a seperate entity. That Mantic cat looks very nice and I'll looking at one or two other options which may be better than our terrier friend :)
Quote from: kierkegaard on February 08, 2011, 11:47:43 PM
I like the finished pirate prince very much. I'm not a fan of the 'Lucky' model, but I will reserve judgment until it is painted. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with the new musician and swordsman models in the group photo.
Could you point me in the direction of the cat models that you found that were too big?
Glad you like the Prince, although it worries me so many people are finding it difficult to see 'Lucky' as Eldar. I really need to get her finished and painting to prove you all wrong...or maybe I will be proved wrong myself!
Cat's I looked at but were too big were the Papo and Schleich toy cat and lynxs, Trent miniatures' tiger, Reaper's Elven cat, Phoenix Models' leopard which I still would like to use somewhere at some point:
(http://www.forty-third.co.uk/images/a09.jpg)
I also looked at a whole bunch of smaller cats which were variously too small, too fantasy or too domestic. I don't even really like cats!
Quote from: kierkegaard on February 08, 2011, 11:47:43 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing what you do with the new musician.
I enjoy converting more than painting, and lack discipline in actually finishing models, especially when new ones arrive in the post. Yesterday I received 3 Russian 54mm figures (the musician, samurai and kneeling rifleman in the group shot). The are a decent scale, perhaps a touch larger than some of the Eldar figures I've already done, but as they're all kneeling or crouching, it shouldn't be too obvious. The samurai will become a Warlock when I receive the head, and the rifleman will become a pirate. The musician was destined to become Gythren the Elder, an Eldar Psi-Singer - a bard type character who can project pychic thoughts and images into minds by playing the psi-lute. He'll be an old, largely non-combatant character, but with a couple of telepathic (emotion)-based powers.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Bard1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Bard2.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Bard3.jpg)
I've done very little to the base figure, apart from the head swap. Spock's hair cut had to be filed away from the forehead, and then I added some more Eldar-esque hair. The greenstuff on the wrist was simply to repair damage from removing the original head. The psi-lute has had a couple of controls added to the base, and a psi-harmonics tube inserted into the crook of the elbow. Finally, I added a projector vane as a little backpack – I'm considering linking it up to the psi-lute if I can find my pewter power cables. What do you think about the base? Ideally I'd like to remove the ugly thick-lipped cast base, but its going to be a real chore to saw it off as the figure is completely solid.
It doesn't look like it would be too difficult to blend/bevel it a bit, towards the base lip, then cover it up with your choice of basing technique (something natural, or maybe sitting on a pile of blankets or something would probably fit the uneven surface better than man(/eldar) made psuedo industrial. Or maybe even some Wraithbone run-off forming around him in crazed frosty patterns if there's an element of Bonesinging linked to his music-psyker powers.)
The musician looks great with Spock's head.
What is the plastic bit in the crook of his right arm supposed to be? Part of the instrument?
edit - stupid me, I missed that bit of text in the original post.
I can't offer any advice on the base because I can't work out what it is that he is sitting on.
Spock's head looks great on that model - nice work.
I don't really like the psi-harmonics tube, but the rest looks fantastic. Well done.
Also I found another Inquisitor Eldar warband while browsing DA that I thought you might like / take inspiration from:
http://profytroll13.deviantart.com/gallery/9992013
Quote from: Alta on February 12, 2011, 04:51:49 PMAlso I found another Inquisitor Eldar warband while browsing DA that I thought you might like / take inspiration from:
http://profytroll13.deviantart.com/gallery/9992013
looking through those photos, I have a stong suspicion that they aren't 54mm Inquisitor figures at all and are in fact all based from the (75mm?) Asyrman model from the old Forgeworld Showcase Series.
Quote from: kierkegaard on February 10, 2011, 05:52:29 PMI can't offer any advice on the base because I can't work out what it is that he is sitting on.
The sculpting is a bit rough, but I think it's a tree stump surrounded by long grass :)
Quote from: Alta on February 12, 2011, 04:51:49 PMI don't really like the psi-harmonics tube, but the rest looks fantastic. Well done.
Also I found another Inquisitor Eldar warband while browsing DA that I thought you might like / take inspiration from:
http://profytroll13.deviantart.com/gallery/9992013
The harmonics tube should look much more integrated when painted, but the real bonus is that it will be dead simple to remove if it doesn't look any good. I've spoken with profytroll about his large-scale figures before now - they're 70mm resin casts from his own fimo sculpts (his coolminiornot gallery has got some of the orginal sculpts IIRC). Very nice work, although a touch too big for Inquisitor ;)
If the base is meant to be a natural setting, then I would just surround it with a sloped rim of green stuff to build up the area or the plastic base that it doesn't cover, and add some sand, gravel, and/or flock around the edge.
http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/foto.asp?Imagen=../../images/andrea/WS/detallegran/WS-022-01.jpg
Just wondered if you had seen this guy... Very much Farseer lookalike to me
Ooh. I've seen that before but completely forgot about him. That could really work! Good spot.
I've been moving about in the last few months so no converting for me :( but i still like to plan outragous models for future dates. Curently thinking of making a 7 swordsman warband but you can only field 3 at any one time, random dice roll selection, which means you have to alter your game style each time you play...
No Bad brain... must wait until you have money again...
Watching with interest tho, Eldar should be used far more often in my humble opinion, such good plot devices.
Quote from: Nevermore2010 on February 27, 2011, 07:13:20 AM
http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/foto.asp?Imagen=../../images/andrea/WS/detallegran/WS-022-01.jpg
Just wondered if you had seen this guy... Very much Farseer lookalike to me
Yes - that's a lovely figure, and one I'm holding in reserve for my list of potentials :)
Having taken a break from modelling in 54mm for the last 3 or 4 months to concentrate on my Blood Bowl teams, I was inspired to see Kaled's use of Deagostini figures and saw the perfect base model for an Eldar Farseer:
Shaak Ti
(http://www.planetadeagostini.com.ar/work_images/1425_entregavader.jpg)
These are the very WIP results so far:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Farseer1.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Farseer2.jpg)
I've removed her head and light sabre. The witchblade is a warlock witchblade spliced with another sword I had in my bits box to give it a more suitable length. I've added shoulder pads and the start of a small backpack to the torso. The head comes from Eldar Ulthran which is huge on a 40k model, but is actually pretty much perfect for a sleek close fitting helm on an Inquisitor figure - I still need to repair the right hand side of the face. I also need to add some rune armour, and turn Shaak Ti's front dangly bits into a scarf so the resulting figure is clearly identifiable as a Farseer.
Any comments / thoughts?
The seer looks very good. You have found a good model to base it on. The helmet fits well with the model.
Could you show a picture of the backpack you're working on?
Quote from: Dolnikan on May 10, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
The seer looks very good. You have found a good model to base it on. The helmet fits well with the model.
Could you show a picture of the backpack you're working on?
Thanks! The backpack is very WIP at the moment - it's an old Wood Elf standard cut down. It's got some gems, scrolls and pouches which allude to the Farseer/Warlock details on some of the 28mm figures. Eventually it will have some Eldar vanes and a ribbed hose linking it to the helmet:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Inquisitor/Farseer3.jpg)
That model makes a superb Farseer.
I am looking forward to seeing it painted.
WOW
I cannot wait to see it painted.
I always wanted to do some eldar but I would never have seen the potential in those minis,
You are a genius ;D
Brilliant spot and a great piece of converting! Another source for a Farseer head that occurred to me the other day is the head from the old Epic "Warlock Titan"
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251983_99110304028_EPICWarlockMain_445x319.jpg)
I was astonished to find that it's still available from GW:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1110094
R.
Thanks all, it's great to get the feedback and support!
Quote from: precinctomega on May 11, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Another source for a Farseer head that occurred to me the other day is the head from the old Epic "Warlock Titan"
I wonder if that head might be too big? It's a great part certainly, but I used it for a Wraithlord conversion last year and it would unbalance the wrong base model.
That's a great choice for the farseer base model, simple but effective conversion.
Hi all, it's been a long time since I last looked at any of these figures. I'm considering sticking them up on ebay, but if anyone wants to make offers, let me know (I'll need to check the box and see the current condition).
Cheers!
uptodate group shot mayhaps? ;)
also what'd you be looking for per figure?
maybe interested in the Dark-Age lass :)
Embarassingly, the condition of the models is essentially what it was when I stopped working on them 2 years ago:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Trades/Eldarfigures_zps9b816bc6.jpg)
Top: Harlequin (well painted, needs basing), Hooded ranger (assembled), Pirate/trader (well painted, needs basing)
Middle: Female (converted), Gyrinx, Bard (converted), Pirate (converted/undercoated)
Bottom: Ranger (converted/part-painted), Ranger (undercoated), Ranger with shuriken cannon (converted/part-painted)
The farseer is in a pretty bad shape and will need some completion & repair work to bring her up to standard, so I didn't snap her.
In terms of pricing - I'm open to offers. I would also consider painting them for an agreed figure. My painting has improved somewhat over the 2 years - here's some examples of recent models:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/ChaosPainter_zps65590b3e.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Blood%20Bowl/ThrudballHarpyFinal110613_zps8ce97afe.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Blood%20Bowl/Apothecary040313_zpsa7a59f77.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Blood%20Bowl/DwarfFan190213_zpsb457c9b5.jpg)
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b93/exoditejon/Blood%20Bowl/Manager130213_zpsf25257c8.jpg)