The Conclave

I never much liked my model for Inquisitor Benedict Helios Seldon (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/seldon.jpg), but his loyal stormtrooper Lillith Polanski (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/lillith.jpg) was always a favourite who never got used much.  (The third member of the warband was the Squat, Thorgrim Hargir (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/thorgrim.jpg).)  Also, since Dark Heresy came out I've fancied a warband of acolytes.  The solution was obvious - sideline Inquisitor Seldon and have Lillith lead a team of acolytes - hence these guys and gals.

So far they don't have names, and I should have taken photos before I basecoated them but nevermind...

Valkyrie Pilot


Flamer Gal


Void-born Administrator


Acolyte


I'll talk more about them later - I'm running late as it is.

Hope you like them,
Dave

I'm sure I speak for many when I ask for more details on the source models, especially that of the Flamer Girl (Sister of the Apocalypse?) and the administrator.

R.

Quote from: precinctomega on April 23, 2011, 01:37:42 PM
I'm sure I speak for many when I ask for more details on the source models, especially that of the Flamer Girl (Sister of the Apocalypse?) and the administrator.

R.

You do indeed speak for  many, they look like excellent bases for many a conversion. Looking good and look forward to seeing them painted.

Dave, I know the void-born are 'posed to look a little ethereal and strange - but that administrator looks like he moon-lights as a vampire for the weekends!

I certainly wouldn't want to ask to have a form signed by him (actually, maybe that's the point.)

Quote from: precinctomega on April 23, 2011, 01:37:42 PMI'm sure I speak for many when I ask for more details on the source models

Star Wars figures.

In order, I'd guess a Rebel Pilot, Padme, Utapauian, and Lando Calrissian.

Anyone got a link for where to browse these?

FYI Marci, this is where 'Marco knows everything' comes from  :P

they all look very promising figures, I was thinking that might have been based on the LotR figurines that some folks have used previously, but now Marco has said Star Wars I can see it clearly. Are they based from action figures or what?

i love the void born and i feel i may have to revisit my plans for one of my future projects now i know this model exists

The Acolyte/Lando conversion is excellent, it works really well. I get a kind of GrimDark P.I. feel from it- rather than a fedora and trench coat, a cloak and puritan hat.
"From the second she walked into my office, I knew she'd be trouble. She spun me a line about mutants snatching a necklace, but somehow I knew that before the night was over, I'd be knee deep in heresy..."

Dave - if these are the cheap Star Wars figures you mentioned the other day, I'm sure most of us would like to know where you got them. They look great so far. I look forward to seeing them finished.

Yes, they are indeed DeAgostini Star Wars collectable miniatures - they come really badly painted but it's easy enough to strip the paint off. I have a few more that I haven't yet done anything with - I'm thinking Palpatine would make a good mysterious contact or maybe a robed Inquisitor and Zam Wesell might end up as a version of Kaede Mack. I got them on eBay for £1.50 each plus P&P. I didn't say before where they were from as I wanted to make sure I'd 40k-ified them sufficiently for it not to be obvious that they're Star Wars characters.

There were two other points to me making them - the first was a conversation I had with someone about there not being many good 54mm sci-fi models that can fit into the GW universe. Hopefully with this warband I've shown that that is not the case; that it's easy to convert characters from another universe fit 40k. The second point was that playing Inquisitor at 54mm doesn't have to be expensive - this warband cost less than £10 and was make using (mostly) 28mm bits and easily available 54mm ones - the kind of things most people have in their bits box. It didn't require much in the way of modelling skill to convert them and should be easily within the ability of almost anyone to do something similar.

Now to paint them...

Quote from: Kaled on April 23, 2011, 05:54:33 PMThey come really badly painted...

... but as you say, easy enough to strip. The bigger issue is therefore sculpting/moulding quality - any words of wisdom?

QuoteI wanted to make sure I'd 40k-ified them sufficiently for it not to be obvious that they're Star Wars characters.

Well, sorry to foil your plan. :P

To be honest, I might not have noticed if it weren't for the Utapauian (after that, the others suddenly started to look a lot more familiar), but that collar and shoulder really do stand out... if you'd posted it before the undercoating, I might have suggested you do something to change its shape (say studded edging, or something), but I guess you'll find some more ways to hide it with the painting anyway.

I figure they can't be too obviously Star Wars if people didn't spot them immediately. I thought Lando and Padme might get spotted straight away, but I'm pretty sure that once painted they'll be fine.

The sculpting is okay - not as nice as Andrea models, not even as nice as GW stuff - but not too bad. The faces don't always look like the actors but that's not really problem for us, and the weapons aren't great but again that's not a problem. The rest of the detail is a bit coarse bit it's more than fine as a base for further conversion.

So what search did you do on eBay to find these?  If I search for "Star Wars miniatures" I end up with 111 pages of Star Wars CMG rubbish (great game, BTW - just rubbish minis).

R.

Try 'DeAgostini Star Wars' or 'De Agostini Star Wars'. They did a collection of vehicles as well as characters but I think there were about 50 in the series of characters.

EDIT: There's a list of the releases in the collection here;
http://www.planetadeagostini.com.ar/detail.php?wrkId=49&tDisp=ent&pag=0

Quote from: precinctomega on April 24, 2011, 08:54:53 AM
So what search did you do on eBay to find these? 

I literally copied and pasted 'De Agostini Star Wars' into google to try and find more info on the overall minis and the first link went to an ebay listing of the De Agostini figs.  I will say that none of them were nearly as cheap as the ones Kaled managed to find but I'm going to keep looking (there have to be a few used ones out there on the cheap).

I'm particularly loving the Administrator model. While he is the one that tipped me off that these were Star Wars models he's relatively obscure and looks like he'd fit in with little to no modification. Throw some choice piercings on his head and he'll make a great addition to my Clive Barker tribute collection...

Yeah, I looked again today and found someone has a load on eBay that they're asking silly prices for.  Still, they seem to crop up pretty often so hopefully you'll be able to find the ones you want.  There are two more that I'd like - should have kept quiet until I got them as now I'll be bidding against you lot!

EDIT:

Quote from: SpanielBear on April 23, 2011, 02:17:12 PM
The Acolyte/Lando conversion is excellent, it works really well. I get a kind of GrimDark P.I. feel from it- rather than a fedora and trench coat, a cloak and puritan hat.

I really like this idea - I think I'll use it as the basis for his background.  When I built these characters I was starting solely from the models with little thought of who they'd be.  I started with the Wedge/Valkyrie Pilot conversion - I thought he'd be a useful NPC seeing as I have the Valkyrie.  And Tion Medon seemed like another useful base for a generic NPC.  It was only after I'd planned those two and figured out what I wanted to do with Lando and Padme that they found their place in a warband.  Now to figure out backgrounds (and names) for the rest...

I was reading the "Blood of Martyrs" supplement for Dark Heresy last night and re-discovered the Calixian Witch-Finder career, the illustration of which was basically this model.

"Carthaxian Witch-Finder" anyone?

R.

Good idea about the Witch-finder - I'd forgotten about that bit in Blood of Martyrs.

Anyway, the first of them is now painted 'Lady' Cyn Havelock.


I plan to do the Valkyrie pilot next, mostly because I have an idea of how he's going to look.  I'm stumped as to what colours to paint the other two...

- Dave

Tremendous looking figure you've got there! There's no Star Wars references and she slots nicely into the 40k universe. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the Void Born figure also. Thanks for the useful reference link - I've been, reviewed and am now looking out for one or two of the figures to crop up on ebay.

I've seen a couple of references to these being 6cm - how do they compare versus GW Inq figs?

They are tall, but not outside the range of human heights - Cyn is about as tall as the Eldar Ranger and the others are a touch taller.

That seems perfectly reasonable to me, but then I think anything up to 7ft is reasonable to be perfectly honest!

I really love her bionic eye!

I really like the paint job on her! Strikingly different to Padme and  some nice 40k additions.

Oh my god, she's awesome,

great job as usual, painting is flawless

and for how well you 40fied her I can say only this: "Padme who???????"

I love her look, very 40k. Not a trace remains of the star wars figure.

if you hadn't said it was star wars, I would have said 'Where did those great mini's come from?'

I have to say, given the size of the flamer she's carrying I find the pose a little strained. As much as I like my women strong - there are limits surely ... ?

You've made a pretty crappy model look pretty good indeed, but I think that your own sculpting work is far superior to the original model.

I have an embargo on buying new INQ minis until I've (a) sold off some of mine and (b) finished the ones I don't sell.  But these Star Wars minis are seriously tempting me!

R.

He's not finished yet (helmet & shoulder pads being the main areas as yet unpainted), but I wanted a second opinion on his visor.  I tried to paint a simple reflection then varnished it to make it reflect a bit more light but I'm not sure whether the experiment was successful...


Opinions?

Oooooh, i like him. It does look reflective, so i'd call it a success, but i've never tried to paint anything to look reflective.

He looks fantastic, and his pose gives him an odd bit of edgy-ness I think, reflection looks great. Look forward to finished article!
R

Oh, the other question I meant to ask - does anyone have any ideas for cool colour schemes for the other two? I'm planning to start painting them tomorrow but have no idea what colours I'm going to paint them...

Depending on the Flamer-Girls personality, if she's a pyromaniac, i'd go for a load of clashing colours, as though she doesn't really think about whether it's a uniform or if it matches, because if it's not fire, she's not interested.

Having said that, it's a nice model, so i'm not sure making it look garish may help.

She's already been painted and pics are higher up in this thread. It was the void born and guy in the hat I was referring to needing ideas for.

EDIT: So what do you think? Is she too garish with the orange top? I didn't want to make her a pyromaniac - it felt like too much of a cliche. All too often characters have flamers because they love to burn things. I decided to give her the nickname 'Lady' because some of her colleagues think she's a bit stuck up and posh, though it's more to do with her accent (kind of like the way a lot of Americans think Brits are posh just because of their accents).

I like the idea of crimson and gold for the voidborn with the obligatory pale/blue skin tone not sure why, but first thing in my head.

I think the flamer girl looks fine if the background matches the look, which given the rest of your characters I am assured it will do.

Guy in the hat, sort of dark brown detective trench coat with ivory handles on gun?

Whatever you choose I look forward to them being done

R

I quite like her, the camo pants are really well done, and she's not white, which you never see.

I agree with Shannow's Hat-man idea, a dark brown detective coat whilst looking severely downtrodden. For the Void-Born i'd go for a dark purple rather than crimson, but i can't remember what the original model was painted like...so i may just be thinking of that and imagining i came up with that colour scheme.

Really liking the reflection, it's a fantastic bit of work you've done.  Really stunning, it gives the model a truly epic feel as it suggests far more than could be fit onto his base.

Quote(kind of like the way a lot of Americans think Brits are posh just because of their accents).

You mean...you aren't all posh?

Oh gosh no. :)

The pilot looks very cool, and not at all like a Star Wars miniature. I can still see Padme in the Lady, but the pilot is fantastic.

Still, excellent work repurposing the figures!

The problem with the reflection, Dave, is that it's curving in the wrong direction.  Assuming a flat-ish horizon, and given the angle of the visor, the curve of the reflection should be descending to the middle quite sharply, like this:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/34770455_fdcc9e7ad0.jpg

R.

You never cease to amaze me Dave - I had a look at those DeAgostini models, and I thought that they were a level of crap only one step up from those toy soldiers that Octavian Lars is using. You have made them look pretty awesome though.

I really like the pilot. It's nice to see that ancient autopistol too (it must be older than some of the people who post on this forum.)

Quote from: kierkegaard on May 03, 2011, 06:38:41 PM
I thought that they were a level of crap only one step up from those toy soldiers that Octavian Lars is using.

was that an insult

Not an insult to you, (in fact I admire the optimism of seeing potential in those figures,) but an insult to the company that produced them. They are not exactly what you would call a quality product, are they?

Too right the stub pistol was a nightmare to glue on the plastic is terrible. I wonder if I made a vacum press mould in the tech dept so gav could make better ones.

Making a vacuum casting chamber in CDT (or whatever you kids all it these days) would be a fantastic (and very useful) project!

R.

I love how you painted him, great job as usual.

Just a question, do his arm look a little bit short for his size or it is just me ??

Two things probably contribute to that impression - firstly, it's hard to see in that photo but his arms are bent, and secondly, the crotch of his flight suit is pretty low down.

Both the pilot and the guy in the hat are now painted - pics to follow, possibly this evening.

damn you dave, i now know i have to wait till tomorrow to see more of your fantastic work because your too lazy to post your pictures now, shame on you ;) otherwise i really love with what you have done mostly taking figures from a very well known and well loved IP and making it so that people had to look twice before recognizing them for what they are

Evening all,

I'm still considering redoing the pilot's visor, but since I've finished the guy in the hat I figured I'd post pics of them both.  First up is the Valkyrie pilot, Markus 'Broom' Korenek - he's much as you saw him before but with his shoulder pads and helmet now painted (looks like I've got a bit of tidying to do with the edge of one of those decals).


Next is Nathanial Mitchum.  After someone remarked earlier about him looking like a 40k private eye I decided to go with a 1940s film-noir inspired monochrome colour scheme.  I'm thinking he was an private investigator before being called to serve the church as a witch-finder and from there coming into the employ of Inquisitor Seldon.


To say these were bought and put together quickly and with little thought compared to some of my other models I'm rather proud of how they've turned out.  Hope you guys like them...

- Dave

I am LOVING the pinstripes, really good subdued tones on him, fantastic. And the pilot looks great also, I still really like the visor as is tbh.

R

I'm glad the Gumshoe Inquisitor was inspiring  ;) .
The Pinstripes are indeed- as Shannow says- absoluttely fantastic. But then so is all the painting; these models have come out really well, lot's of understated character. I really like them. They'll be fun to play, I'm betting.

Mitchum looks fantastic. Those pinstripes are phenomenally well done. I also like the little add-ons (the skull belt buckle, chest eagle, purity seal.)

I meant to ask you - how did you do the blue-grey on the pilot?

Great looking figures! The Inquisitor is my favourite - it really seems to hang together naturally. Lovely painting too. I've been very inspired by these - so much so that I've gone and bought a couple of Deagostini Star Wars figures for myself!

Quote from: kierkegaard on May 05, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
I meant to ask you - how did you do the blue-grey on the pilot?

A mix of black, Fortress Grey and Ultramarine Blue (I think).

I bought a couple more of these figures - Grand Moff Tarkin mostly because I wanted his head, but also it should be easy to 40k-ify his uniform to make some sort of Imperial Officer, and Dengar because it seemed an easy way of building a character in carapace armour.  No plans as yet for what to do with them though...

The Private Eye looks really good, though I wish you'd shortened his hat somewhat. I googled Dengar, and he looks as though he'll make an interesting model.

just to echo everyones previous comments of WOW they look impressive, if you where to say time from start to finish with these models what would you think it was at?

Quote from: Stormgrad on May 06, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
if you where to say time from start to finish with these models what would you think it was at?

Well, the conversion work for these was pretty simple - maybe just a couple of hours for each one.  Then maybe 6-8 hours to paint each one?  No idea how accurate those figures are as I wasn't really keeping track of time but they're probably in the right ballpark...

Really good comversions I particularly like the private eye, very well done and painted, what are the rules for these guys....

Kaled tends not to post the rules for his models. He prefers that other players don't know his model's strengths or weaknesses before the game has even started.

Quote from: 0604854 on May 06, 2011, 02:52:19 PM
Really good comversions I particularly like the private eye, very well done and painted, what are the rules for these guys....

Thanks.  No idea about their rules, I haven't written them yet - and as Marco says, even when I do I'm unlikely to post them for a couple of reasons.

Firstly because there's no need for my opponent to see the stats of my characters before he needs to know them  So if you want to know if my Tech-Priest is susceptible to psychic assault (i.e. has a low Wp), try casting a psychic power and you'll find out.  Or if you want to know whether the guy with a fancy sword is actually a swordmaster or is just bluffing, well why not engage him in combat and you'll soon see.

And secondly, unless I want feedback on some new rule or suchlike, then I'm normally pretty confident that I can have a good guess at suitable stats by comparing the new character to existing ones that I'm happy with so there's little to gain by posting them.

However, if you haven't played before then you can get loads of good feedback by posting them on here, but don't expect anything like a consensus to be reached.  And a lot of the time it's not necessary anyway - if you're going to play at a Conclave event (and you'd be more than welcome) then you probably want to make sure that your characters are in the same ballpark as other people's, but if you're playing in your own gaming group then you only need make sure that they're similar to the characters your friends use.  (Although, in general most people on here would tell you that using lower stats than the sample profiles in the rulebook is always a good idea as it makes the game more fun.)

Not a real update, but I came back from holiday to find the Dengar figure waiting on my doormat.  He's a little shorter than most of the others, so is a good fit against the GW range - and he's fairly bulky too (other than his small hands & feet).  All in all, he was well worth the few quid I paid and should be very easy to 40k-ify.  Or I may even chop him up and use him for parts...

Evening all,

I finished painting the void-born a week or so ago but never go around to posting pics.  I'm not hugely happy with my colour choices - I thought the yellow collar made a great contrast with his robes until I realised he looks like he's wearing a life-vest!


Also, unfortunately you can't really see the bit I'm most proud of - the veins running under the pallid skin of his scalp.

- Dave

Quote from: Kaled on May 24, 2011, 08:25:45 PMI thought the yellow collar made a great contrast with his robes until I realised he looks like he's wearing a life-vest!

It's Marty McFly!

Actually, as all the life vests I've seen are usually a much brighter orange or red, it doesn't look like one to me. I'm not sure on the colour combination otherwise, but I don't know colour theory well enough to really comment.

I have to say It doesn't remind me of a life vest but the colur doesn't sit well with me either but I can't put a reason to it, possibly just because you drew  my attention too it :P

Loving the model though, lips are a bit too bright for my taste but meh a quibble.

I think it looks great. Does remind me somewhat of a tropical flower, though...

Contrary to the others I actually like the colour. It gives a good contrast to the rest of the model and makes him look a little like a fop, although I don't know if that was the intention.

Please keep in mind that I'm colourblind so it might be that I once again see it completely in the wrong way.

Since I already complimented you many times I hope you will indulge my request and show us  a nice team picture. please please please
;D ;D ;D

I love it!  He looks creepy and dangerous.

R.

Quote from: judge-minos on May 26, 2011, 03:34:00 AM
Since I already complimented you many times I hope you will indulge my request and show us  a nice team picture. please please please
;D ;D ;D

Seeing as you asked so nicely, here's a pic of Seldon's acolytes;

Awesome collection. The style varies quiet a bit from your usual Grimdarkyness, to something slightly more comedic 2nd ed feel.

Well that's really a good family picture.

Lillith is still one of my favorite model of yours while I never was a big fan of the squat.

It is funny how seeing the other models together is affecting my original thoughts on them.
Padme now looks like she has a bigger head of the pilot with the helmet and the withfinder, which I had thought to be a little plain at the time, Has now become my favorite model in the de agostini group .
It must be because of his silently hanging on the back of the group, spying for signs of corruption   ;D

All in all great job as usual.
can't wait for your next project

I really like them as a collective but I think the Padme figure is very static looking when you place them all together, the rest all of have a sense of readiness about them and she looks wooden in comparison. Still great collection and the Void borna nd witchfinder are my definite joint favourites!

The team looks great, they show a lot of variation as there should be in a group of acolytes.

My personal favourite is the witchfinder, the model breathes athmosphere.