so, as i've posted before, i've got a World Eater and and Ultramarine in 54mm already.
Having two more Artemis' to hand, i've decided i'm going to try and get each of the First Founding chapters into Inquisitor with appropriate background and miniatures.
The key "point" of this long term project is to experiment with a variety of sculpting techniques, learn new methods of working and because i think it'd look cool ;D
you never know, i may make molds of the various chapter shoulderpads i sculpt.. just for personal use, of course ;)
So, having discussed the project with Vermis over MSN, with the Ultramarine so close to completion i've begun the third entry.
I'm aiming for a Salamanders Marine; with their high regard for saving innocent lives, it's easy to imagine a Captain, having failed his mission, leading dozens of battle brothers to their deaths and responsible for thousands of civilian casualties, taking on a personal quest to wander the Imperium looking for absolution.
Or even induced into an Inquisitors' retinue; his forthright views on protecting lives causing friction amongst the PCs.
Anyway, i decided i wanted a pose Similar To This (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/051/c/1/Space_Marine_Motivation_Poster_by_Kasin971.jpg), pointing forward, sword held by the hilt, leant up against his shoulderpad, as if shouting "YOU! Put down that human and submit to His Justice!" :D
I plan a scaled cloak with plenty of folds and overlapping armour plate on the thighs.
As usual, i gathered a horde of bits together.
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander01.JPG)
of note is the guitar wire; as well as replacing some cables, i'll be building the sword handle around this.
The Avatar sword is going to have the flamer built into it; sorta like the old Redemptionist minis where they'd bolt a one-shot flamer to their weapons :D
I've already started working on the head; as i've got a spare from Adams' Salamander and, suggested from Vermis, i'm trying for a Nick Fury / Samuel L Jackson style shaved head.
If it doesn't work i may try an afro :-\
I've gone for two of the Deathwatch pads; the unusual shape should emphasise how he used to be important.
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander02.JPG)
Here i've cut the toes off; unusually i'm not reposing the bent leg, but as he's gonna be stepping on a crate or something i needed the toes reversed.
I'm also gonna cut up the other leg and straighten it a bit more to add to the stepping motion.
I've filed off alot of the detail from the Deathwatch pad; i love the detail and wanted to keep it, but i think it'll look too "oh. its the deathwatch pad" and detract from the Salamanders look.
I've got one pretty smooth; i'll be going over it with Greenstuff and adding the Chapter Symbol here.
The other will receive similar treatment, but the skull will stay in the middle of a ball of flame (i don't know how the Salamanders Squad Markings work :( ) and both will have the banded edge rebuilt.
A quick mockup of the sword was needed and i'm not happy (with is why i did a mock up :) ).
I may cut the flamer down to be slightly smaller or may take Artemis' sword and built the flamer into the blade itself (cutting a chunk out to accommodate it).
However, this decision will wait until i've got the main body together; this will give me an idea on scale and how well the pose works.
So, there's the first update.
all ideas and suggestions are welcome as well as offers of selling me your unwanted marines; i only need 14 more :lol:
Gratified as I am you listened to my suggestions, don't feel tied to them. :)
But what about the gemstone thing? You forgot the gemstone thing! Do I need to get the stick again?
Quote(i don't know how the Salamanders Squad Markings work Sad )
It's not the squad markings, but I remember someone posted an old White Dwarf pic on Bolter&Chainsword of Salamander company markings. Can't find the bugger now, but they have it written down in the librarium (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=128).
And from that link it looks like the left kneecap for squad markings.
Quote from: Vermis on February 14, 2010, 10:50:31 PM
But what about the gemstone thing? You forgot the gemstone thing! Do I need to get the stick again?
what gemstone thing? :lol:
on squad markings, i suppose it's linked to Space Marine Captains in general; what is their right pad used for?
for "normal" marines it's Squad Markings; Librarians have their rank / book thingy, Apothecarys the double Helix, Chaplains generally a skull and Standard Bearers should have a wreath, but what do captains (or banished marines ;) ) wear?
Sounds intriguing (plus you always have such great stuff!). Very excited to see your Emperor's Children and Death Guard Marines respectively.
Not to get the thread of task, but can you link your World Eater?
Captains would wear their individual heraldry, surely. From Graham McNeill's books (though you can choose to believe them or not), Uriel Ventris had to remove the markings from his armour before leaving the Chapter. Different Chapters might have different traditions, though.
Quote from: greenstuff_gav on February 14, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
but what do captains wear?
Aah... Je comprends.
In that case, I dunno. :P The 40K 'Codex Astartes' look is usually the skull or 'german' cross for HQ, innit? Sallies might have a chapter variation (or personal heraldry) but I don't know anything about that.
Captains have no particular markings, if I recall, but the Codex does tend to suggest the skull marking for command. Since the Salamanders don't follow the Codex markings anyway, it doesn't matter much ...
Tullio
I have an old (Rogue Trader era) painting guide which includes the Salamanders - obviously it won't match what's in more recent sources, but it might give you some ideas for a different take on things.
Well, I do have this, which I believe was posted around the time of the Armageddon campaign, which shows the company badges for all seven of the Salamanders companies, and then some honour badges. Apologies for the small pictures:
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/w40k_ia_s_c2.jpg)
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/w40k_ia_s_c3.jpg)
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/w40k_ia_s_c4.jpg)
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/w40k_ia_s_c1.jpg)
Thanks Molotov! ;D
slight update; got some plate onto the thighs, rebuilt the chest detail (removed the necklace) and destroyed the pipework so they can be remodelled upright :)
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander03.jpg)
Oooh. That's pretty sharp for GS. 8)
Looking nice.
An amazing Salamander can be found here.
http://www.sodemons.com/gd29uk/13-Open/index.htm
slight update.
debating if i should put the armoured ankles (rather much like old school devestators + the Templar illustration) on as well.
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander04.JPG)
i think the nose maybe a little too big... will get a side shot at some point.
currently working on attempt 3 of the Salamanders icon :lol:
so, i took the legs apart again; wasn't happy with the pose :(
added a bit of reinforcement around the bottom too; not going for full on devastator supports, but enough to break up the lines a bit :)
attempt 3 of the Shoulderpad i'm a lot happier with the results. it may come off for another attempt yet, but that can wait :)
the arm is still well WIP; elbow, pipework pad supports yet to go on. i think this is why it looks a little short...
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander05.jpg)
so, no pictures this time, but a request; anyone got a large image of how a Space Marine Shoulderpad fits?
working on the pointing army and can't find a reference on what layers i need to add :(
Sorry no pic, but very very nice work. The legs are great.
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1860110_99060101393_40kSMCronus1_445x319.jpg)
that a good enough angle? Sgt Chronos (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400012&prodId=prod1530007)
so, a quick pin-together (all held together by Hope!), we've got a general gist of the pose :D
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander06.jpg)
so, i dropped the Avatar sword; just didn't like the look of it :(
and found out Artemis' was too small for the flamer add on (Redemptionists; incinerator?) so i added the tip from a spare sword and have coated it in greenstuff; once it's dry i'll start reforging and smoothing the gap out :)
slight work to the Salamanders shoulderpad too; when my moulding compound gets here i'll see how it comes out (need to hollow the pad out afterwards to fit it to the arm)
a quick closeup of the elbow pad; i sculpted pseudo-text on there :D
on the base, i've sculpted a sandbag with a split; almost as if he's stepped on it to pose and it's split, throwing him off centre :)
gonna be adding either a Salamanders Icon or something else to the belt buckle; definitely not a skull tho!
so, till next time! :D
I'm in awe sir, that looks fantastic.
Can't wait to see it finished. Any chance of a shot with the head?
This, sir, looks suitably Badass for the Salamanders chapter! I salute thee!
Okay seriously, it looks freaking awesome. The green work is good and clean, and the stance is really cool. I look forward to seeing the end result.
Fab work, Gav. But... is that sword grip a smidgen weedy?
R.
Quote from: precinctomega on March 17, 2010, 03:26:49 PM
Fab work, Gav. But... is that sword grip a smidgen weedy?
R.
I assumed it was going to be built up.
looking good Gav. I like how much bulkier his legs look (my main complaint with the original model).
Quote from: Alyster Wick on March 16, 2010, 02:26:02 AM
Any chance of a shot with the head?
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander07.jpg)
now i've got the head on there, i think the neck is angled wrong and gonna have to come off and be rebuilt completely :(
also the handle is the right shape for how i want it.. just the GSing is a bit sloppy and needs to come off i think :P
all in all, starting to lose steam with it; definitely a poor update :(
looking pretty damn good gav :)
so, after an afternoon of heartbreak, frustration and having enough pink goop on my desk that i was ready to call the Ghost Busters, i ended up with;
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander08.JPG)
now i can drill it out to sit on his shoulder properly ;D
Looks good to me.
Any updates?
Quote from: gwrulz on July 13, 2010, 07:33:32 PM
Any updates?
Just to let you know - as a general rule, it's considered poor form on most forums to resurrect old threads unless you have something meaningful/substantial to add - i.e. something considerably more than 'nice model' or 'any updates?'. You can always PM people if you just want to compliment them or ask a question - I can't see anyone objecting to that.
yeah, that... but thanks for asking ;D
no updates as yet; i just glued the salamanders pad in place as i couldn't work out how Marine Shoulder Pads would actually work :-\
i do have the brass rod in place for hte salamander cloak :)
*blows dust off've thread*
so, update time!
i've been reposing and rebasing this guy and while GS drys (so i can photo) here's some background :)
for those who have forgotten, i'm trying to come up with appropriate background for each Marine to be in Inquisitor and no, not "he's onna quest!" (http://darkmagenta.co.uk/articles/Huge%20Chunk%20of%20Man.pdf)
Xa'phan was originally one of the Salamanders leading Artificers, Master Of The Forge of the third company.
Having accompanied his company in wars and conflict over several decades, it was when Xa'phan led a force of battle brothers in the liberation of Colstanus V his Chapter Life was forever changed.
Colstanus V orbited close to it's sun, an arid dry world wracked with volcanoes similar to the Salamanders' home of Nocturn, and yet plagued by a tribe of feral orks.
Xa'phan and his force decimated the primitive orks without much distress; the orks' spears barely able to damage the stalwart Space Marines' Power Armour.
it was, however, in the aftermath disaster struck. In butchering the orks, the bloodshed was enough to awaken a dormant daemonlord underneath the planets' skin; the root of the volcanoes unnatural heat.
The Space Marines moved fast to delay DaemonLord Ark-Trx-Nia , servant of Khorne as it awoke from a millenia of slumber.
However, the Daemon was a being of unbelievable power; skin of brass, blood of molten bronze and flame licking across its' unnatural flesh. Where it trod the sand turned to glass, the heat of its' breath enough to burn the very air.
The Marines fought a strategic retreat; shepherding Colstanus' population toward extraction.
As the final battle brothers boarded, the company's Librarian, Epistolary Tu'Kain remained behind, utilising the full force of he psionic might to fend off burning air and keep the daemon from unfurling its wings to leave the planet.
As the ships left orbit, the Space Marine battlefleet bombarded the planet; the collapsing gravity combined with the extinguished oxygen extinguished the daemons' flame prematurely and destroyed its' bronze form.
relocating the homeless Colstanusians to the unpopulated world of Daitrine in a nearby system, Xa'phan decided to stay behind with the population, to protect them as they built their new home.
Over a century has passed and the population has begun to flourish; the people forging an Iron-Age for themselves.
Stories and legends are told about Master Xa'phan, Lord of the Forges and Sky-Warrior.
Having taught the art of smithing to the people, he has carried teachings of The Immortal God-Emperor, protected them from marauding xenos and aided them in dealing with interstellar traders.
Xa'phan watches over his adopted people carefully, giving them room to expand and find their own way, but remaining close to teach them much needed skills.
Spending his time in the forges, he is always present when travellers hit planetfall; the towering presence of an Astartes giving the most hardened traders second thoughts of abusing the technologically simple people...
EDIT: piiic!
(http://www.buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander09.jpg)
so, i've gone for a "carrying the sword" pose, his right hand closing on the handle, fingers cupping the blade.
The shoulder needs rebuilding before i attach the cast pad.
The head isn't attached; wanna get a helmet sculpted first :) (*cough* pad + helmet as a cast booster pack anyone?)
not going for a cloak in the end; too much effort to sculpt :P
I also reworked the shoulderpad; a mechanicus cog showing his rank as an artificer :)
that "guitaristic" pose is very cool!
me like!
I really like the story - and it opens up some interesting plot possibilities, like a Hereticus Inquisitor investigating and finding a cult developing that worships "The Forgemaster" or some such, which leads to problems as Xa'phan is torn between loyalty to the people he lives among and the Emperor he serves, with a healthy side order of temptation.
Nice. Very powerful pose. Like the cog on the shoulderpad too, gives the model an individual look that marines can lack.
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on November 15, 2010, 01:43:53 AM
and it opens up some interesting plot possibilities
Quote from: Myriadgives the model an individual look that marines can lack.
Quote from: phil-o-matpose is very cool!
Thanks!
following the Marine Article, this is partly the reason behind the First Founding Project; to appropriately model each of the First Founding chapters (with helmet and chapter shoulderpad!) with background suitable for Inquisitor :)
i forgot to add; his own forge is setup in the remains of a solo orbital lander; while the populace started with yurts, his forge still has the basic technology a Space Marine would need (also excuses a sci-fi-esk base! :D )
can't wait to see the finnished model, i am a devout salamanders player in 40k so it's good to see someone doing one for inquisitor
lil bit of work, things are glued together now :)
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander10.jpg)
When are we ever going to get to see these painted gav? :'(
I think he definitely needs some kind of smithing tools about his person, some kind of space-tongs or a hammer. Excellent work!
Quote from: RobSkib on November 22, 2010, 01:15:05 PM
When are we ever going to get to see these painted gav? :'(
I think he definitely needs some kind of smithing tools about his person, some kind of space-tongs or a hammer. Excellent work!
need to finish the conversions first ;)
added some tools and some details :)
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander11.jpg)
Bigger Pic (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander11.jpg)
also there's a test of the helmet + shoulder pad possibly for casting as a Sci-fi Warrior Booster pack ;D
This is looking really interesting, Gav. I'm struggling to visualise what your re-modelled face looks like - for reason, my brain doesn't seem to be able to work out what it's looking at! Do you have any other shots of the head? Given that he's inevitably going to have a very dark skin tone, I'm not sure it's going to be any more apparent once you've painted him up!
howsat?
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander12.jpg)
bigger chin, more stereotypical nose and lips :-\
paaaint!
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander13.jpg)
gonna add broken up effect to the blade... i know it should be "off" if he's carrying it like that but Coolness Factor overrides :)
i've kinda acknowledged GW's offensive stereotype of "black skin and red eyes" with the brown skin and red iris :P
great stuff gav - although I don't see how the official line for Salamanders appearance is offensive? GW do say black skinned, not "Black" as we normally mean it.
Salamanders were always described as Dark-Skinned ... then at some point in this edition it was decided this meant pitch black and pure red eyed which is daft imo.
Dark Skinned is suitable for the volcanic terrain, but pure black? sounds daft to me! :)
when i did my 40k salamandars i simply gave them the dark brown skin that we think of as black simply because it kinda looked like you couldn't be bothered painting the flesh with the pitch black skin
My take on it, which I intend to make into a model at some point, is that "Black-skinned" means that all Salamanders have a mutation of the skin, triggered by the Melanochrome, that makes them appear to have been burned black all over. Not just black skin of a "normal" shape, but burnt to the bone, with no nose, shriveled ears, lips burnt away, scarred all over.
His nose and lip seem odd... but other than that, rocking!
Quote from: greenstuff_gav on November 27, 2010, 03:52:38 PM
Salamanders were always described as Dark-Skinned ...
And depicted in one bit of Adrian Smith art that GW didn't have many problems publishing. Though google images isn't throwing it up. (Then there's the pic of Tu'Shan, which is more ambiguous)
Nice work overall, Gav. Great sharp putty work and good painting. I think the problem with the nose is that it needed a little widening and perhaps flattening at the tip, but not the extra length and depth. And the lip, more lip-shaped... :-\
Tu'Shan Shan, hush hush, eye to eye...
I see nothing wrong with this mini - except - he needs a Fro! Gotta "represent!"
Honestly, he also would look better in my collection too ;D
so, threadomancy, but look what i got! :D
(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/gallery/inq/firstfounding/salamander_pad.jpg)
not happy with the casting quality; looks like i got bubbles in my mould :(
still, its a good enough base if people wanna work with it ;)