I'm back to the drawing board for my inquisitor at the moment, and while brainstorming a couple ideas, one came to me that I really like, though I'm not quite sure how to execute it.
Basically, I was thinking that my inquisitor(Elva Bullen), would have some connection to the Eldar goddess Isha. Though her personality is slightly more compatible with Khaine(warlike, though more orderly about it), I've always liked Isha as a goddess. I intended Elva to have some connection to the Eldar, her name does mean elf, though a Shuriken Catapult is difficult to come by, let alone keep as a human. The issues that I'm having though, is what the connection should be, and how she didn't end up with a bolt round in her head because of it.
A couple rough ideas are possibly a mark, maybe voices in her head, or a small trinket she got at one point in her life, though they need some development. Any thoughts?
That maybe difficult considering that Isha was devoured by Slaanesh, and now Khaine is but a fractured force of rage, a pale shadow to what he was. Ultimately, your inquisitor could have an interest in soulstones (she wouldn't be the first) and maybe she discovered one that has been ensoulled but forgotten/lost. You may also want to look up Lord Balodrin from the Thorian sourcebook.
Well, I've read, I think it was on the Lexicanum, that Isha somehow got into the hands of Nurgle, and is his test subject for new diseases, as she can heal herself of their effects. It also said she sometimes she gives mortals the secrets to thwarting Nurgle's plagues. It might also be in the daemon codex if you play 40k.
Though that spirit stone idea might just be what I'm looking for. I'll take a look at Thorian sourcebook and see if I can get some ideas. Thanks for the help!
Remember - the warp can do strange things. It is possible that an echo of Isha remains, trapped in time or something, perhaps in a jewel, I'm thinking something involving a stasis field. The question of course is why Elva has it - machinations of Chaos Gods, perhaps?
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on July 08, 2010, 01:23:55 AM
Remember - the warp can do strange things. It is possible that an echo of Isha remains, trapped in time or something, perhaps in a jewel, I'm thinking something involving a stasis field. The question of course is why Elva has it - machinations of Chaos Gods, perhaps?
I smiled evilly when I read first read this, which means my twisted mind is at work. These are all really good ideas, and I'm taking down notes. I'm also in the middle of a concept sketch, which if anyone's interested I'll post the linework once I get it done.
Not to intentionally discredit DA's idea, but the immaterium is not subject to time, euclidian laws or relative dimension, so I fail to see how stasis fields would have any use here. Likewise, Isha was devoured by Slaanesh, if there was an echo of her remaining, the Eldar would know of it (and they're now waiting for the birth of Ynnead). Perhaps this inquisitor has managed to get her hands on a partial infinity matrix structure from a craftworld lost to the warp (and spat back out again in small chunks) that she keeps hidden in a private bunker/fortress/workshop/dungeon/rabbit hole, there maybe a few souls that linger within its structure, driven mad by the horrors of what dwell beyond.
Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
Likewise, Isha was devoured by Slaanesh
As utter dog-sh*t terrible as the Chaos Daemons book was, there
is mention of Isha having, possibly, been captured/kidnapped/saved by Nurgle (truthfully, this being Nurgle versus Slaanesh, I think all three of those are one and the same), so we can't be entirely certain that Slaanesh
did eat Isha.
The Immaterium is not subject to time, but Warp Events in the Materium are - and so can be trapped in a stasis field. Also, good idea would be to leave open whether it really is Isha...
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on July 08, 2010, 11:52:37 AM
Also, good idea would be to leave open whether it really is Isha...
That's one of my favorite ideas so far. It leaves the possibilities open and keeps with what I wanted, I'm thinking I might combine it with the spirit stone idea, if the two are compatible.
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on July 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
As utter dog-sh*t terrible as the Chaos Daemons book was, there is mention of Isha having, possibly, been captured/kidnapped/saved by Nurgle (truthfully, this being Nurgle versus Slaanesh, I think all three of those are one and the same), so we can't be entirely certain that Slaanesh did eat Isha.
This is what I've always believed, and it adds a few more possibilities for the purposes of backstory.
Elva, quote fix, the second quote belongs to me, not Macabre. I imagine he'd get rather offended that you've downgraded him to my baser intellect.
Quote from: Koval on July 08, 2010, 07:06:47 PM
Elva, quote fix, the second quote belongs to me, not Macabre. I imagine he'd get rather offended that you've downgraded him to my baser intellect.
oh sorry, I'm still getting used to the forum mechanics. I'll get on it right away!!
I think I'm rather more offended by the assumption that I'm male.
Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
I think I'm rather more offended by the assumption that I'm male.
To be honest, I didn't think you were male, I tend pick up on little hints in the language and avatars people use. Though in Koval's defense, there aren't that many women who are so knowledgeable on such matters, but I'm sure we're all glad to have such a knowledgeable person here, regardless of gender. I know your ideas have really helped me with my backstory.
Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
Not to intentionally discredit DA's idea, but the immaterium is not subject to time,
Just to be pedantic but surely this makes the assumption that all the stasis field does is affect time, surely it is possible that it has is possible that a stasis field effects time, space and all the intermittent dimension? Not that your statement is incorrect, I'm just saying that subject to the definition of what the stasis field actually did it could still be a viable idea.
Also
Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
a partial infinity matrix structure from a craftworld
this made a bit of my brain dribble out when I read it too quickly :P
Quote from: Shannow on July 08, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
Just to be pedantic but surely this makes the assumption that all the stasis field does is affect time, surely it is possible that it has is possible that a stasis field effects time, space and all the intermittent dimension? Not that your statement is incorrect, I'm just saying that subject to the definition of what the stasis field actually did it could still be a viable idea.
I'm getting a bit confused now as well lol. I don't think I'm going to use the stasis field idea, as I'm not clear on the mechanics of it, though I'm sure its a good one, its just way over my head.
Quote from: Shannow on July 08, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
Also Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM
a partial infinity matrix structure from a craftworld
this made a bit of my brain dribble out when I read it too quickly :P
Its ok, you have to read a lot about the Eldar to get used to their complexity(some of it still even baffles me).
Quote from: Macabre on July 08, 2010, 07:53:48 PM
I think I'm rather more offended by the assumption that I'm male.
To be fair it isn't immediately obvious what gender
anyone is around here. :-\
Shannow, a stasis field would work under the principle of quantum mechanics, either by removing or altering contempory time (normally converting a mass into a non-event mass with a quantum probability of zero), now, if a stasis field works upon material physics, and the immaterium isn't subject to the normal laws of time, or indeed any euclidian principles, how would a stasis field convert a non-euclidian mass with an indeterminate chronological progression into a non-event mass with a quantum probability of zero?
That assumes a stasis field works on Quantum Mechanical principles - as opposed to, say, Etheric Technology.
Indeed as dapper anarchist says you have still made an assumption of what laws a stasis field works under. This is somewhat of a pet peeve of mine when people state things aren't possible based on certain laws, we are however living (at least in our mind) in the 41st millenia with warp travel and such so I think it is not beyond reasonable doubt that these laws may have been proved false at least to the extent that a stasis field with an effect on the immaterium is feasible.
Sorry if that came across as a personal attack Macabre, that isn't my intention its just generally I think a more open mind should be had sometimes.
Peace out :D
Rob
I didn't consider it a personal attack, I'm just curious as to how you would justify using a stasis field (eg, something that by whatever technology, alter chronological progression) in a realm where the laws of time and space are entirely non-euclidian. Simply saying 'Etheric Technology' is just coming up with a name in order to vindicate an impossible action, the Immaterium isn't subject to any laws of time and space as we know them, therefore it would be like trying to trap an oceanic body of water in a jar made up of a single hydrogen atom.
For me the most important thing you said there was 'as we know them'. My point is that our understanding is limited to a minute galaxy within the vastness of the universe and in the fantasy realm we play inquisitor in their have been 38000 years or so for greater understanding to be developed and encompass what is currently the great unknown.
Also, though my actual physics if extremely weak (bio-medical sciences all the way!) 'an ocean in an atom' to para-phase, seems piffling in comparison to our current singularity big bang theory?
Obviously what you say is perfectly correct and applicable NOW but that does not mean that it will be in 38000 years, and given the presence of Gods, Psykers, the warp, the eye of terror as it manifestation. and all manner of different things like necron phase technology in the 40K universe I think it requires only a little stretch of the imagination to include a stasis field capable of capturing a whisper of the immaterium and holding it for millennia.
Well, I think I covered that, by pointing out that while the warp is not affected by time, warp events and relations in the real world are. I think you could trap a Daemon in a Stasis field, containing it. However, this wouldn't mean you would never see that Daemon again, much as trapping the Doctor in a stasis field doesn't mean you'll never get your a$$ kicked by him... But worse, as the Doctor at least has a singlular experiential timeline, and the Daemon does not. However, that Daemon in the field is still trapped there, though psychic effects, especially from a very powerful being (like a God), might leak out.