The Conclave

The Ordos Majoris - Hobby, Painting and Modelling => Inquisitor Game Discussion => Topic started by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 02:28:52 AM

Title: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 02:28:52 AM
                                               Interrogator Brennus Von Theastalos

Born on the recently discovered backwards medieval world of Caelin, Brennus was born into a turbulent time to a famous mercenary captain by the name of Gant Von Theastalos. Ever since he came out of his mother's womb he was trained for his future career as a mercenary by his father who would constantly push him to his limits of his endurance every day.  When Brennus turned fourteen his father took him to his first battle where he got his first taste of blood and gold. Two years later the First War of Faith which would provide both to Brennus began when Ecclesiarch sent several missionaries to begin building of a chapel and the spreading of the light of the Emperor.  Most of the lower class people supported this change in religion but the nobles whose pagan religion helped them flourish were now afraid of losing their power over the people outlawed the religion.

This led to widespread denouncing of the king despite to the fact that the king had neutral views in the matter but only acted as figurehead in conflict. The nobles were the first to attack, putting many villages and cities to sword that housed resistance to the nobles. When the chapel that the missionaries had built came under attack Gant agreed to protect it for free as he proclaimed his allegiance to the Imperials. When the nobles prepared to crush the chapel with one final all out attack Gant set up his defenses. Despite being outnumbered six to one Gant still managed to hold the line until Gant died when a bolt hit him in the head. With no leader the mercenaries began to fall back when Brennus stepped into breach stating that they weren't fighting as mercenaries but as Imperial soldiers. With the soldiers rallied and the nobles thrown back

Brennus then led a sudden last ditch counterattack into the noble line killing many of the nobles and sending them into a rout. The lead missionary Jack Sorius then officially gave him the emperor's blessing calling him the leader of a great crusade. Brennus now at the head of massively swelling force began training the new recruits in war. He said the great secret to fighting was adaptation, a willingness to change tactics and fighting style. With victories over the nobles mounting under his belt due to his unconventional tactics and use of the noble's pride against them he eventually got to the gates of the capital.

The now aging king gave one last speech telling his people to lay down their arms and surrender despite protests by nobles who retreated from the capital and would pressure imperial rule in following years. Now the question arose who would lead the people. The decision came between Brennus and the king's exiled son Marcus who spoke out against the reign early on. Brennus seemed like the obvious choice as he had support from Ecclesiarchy and the people. But Brennus humbly stepped down saying that Marcus was the better choice. His fame didn't only reach Caelin though. A Thorian Inquisitor by the name of Hastus Rooklord took interest in Brennus who now was in his thirties and living as a freeman. Hastus paid Brennus a visit and told him who he was and how he could help serve the emperor better by serving him. Brennus agreed and became his acolyte, since then he has served Hastus admirably. Now one hundred and eight years old, he is on the edge of becoming an inquisitor himself.

WS            BS           ST         TG            IN            WP              SG            NV            LD            S
81               60           83          85             78             68                74             81             84              5

Equipment: Bastard Sword; Battle axe*; Warhammer**; Spear; LV4 Metal Shield; Short sword; Crossbow with 20 bolts; 5pts of Armour on chest, abdomen, Open helmet;

Brennus is Right Handed

Special Abilities: First Strike; Lightning Reflexes, Leader

Battle axe*: A battle axe may be used as either a normal axe or a great axe

Warhammer**: A Warhammer may be used as a hammer or a great hammer
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Kaled on July 28, 2010, 07:12:15 AM
Five close combat weapons, a shield and a crossbow?  How are you going to fit them all on the model?  They're not exactly small weapons you've chosen (especially given the over-sized nature of GW's weapons).
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 07:47:27 AM
Brave/refreshing choice with a feral fighting character, but not even one concession to the shiney gee-gaws of technology; perhaps just one las pistol?

Agree with Kaled that its difficult to fit 3 close combat weapons (two of which are going to be large/heavy) on one figure, plus a ranged weapon and he's carrying a spear and a shield, just as well he has 5 actions, he's going to need 1 or 2 a turn to juggle his kit. And sneaking about is not going to be easy...

How about he has access to a personal armoury, but usually carries a reduced selection dependant on what he thinks is likely to crop up? Or, he does carry it all at once, but like most infantry, will drop his marching kit at the start of any shenannigans?

Stat line shows he's pretty good at everything, and very good in quite a few areas. My personal view, but I like a character to have an area/ability that he is a bit crap at - it gives his retinue something to do, and is a bit  more ''human'' (but I do get the idea he is meant to be an heroic individual).



Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 08:12:43 AM
Or maybe he just believes in bringing a small armory to the fight? But maybe i'll get rid of warhammer and the battle axe?

Yes the whole idea of this character is to make one really heroic person.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Ive never thought about spears in Inquisitor; not sure they're going to be that effective, but I have yet to try or see one in action. It just brings up the image of Indiana Jones squaring up against that sword waving bloke -problem solved with a stubber round to the head. 

Try thinking about weapon reach/range and what the character would need/use them for - the crossbow for long range, spear for mid and short sword for close, with either an axe/hammer for mid-close tough stuff/splatter effect. Why have two very similar weapons that fill a similar role?

Im also a little confused as to how the axe or the hammer can have normal and great profiles at the same time - applied to medieval style weapons, great implies larger/heavier and therefore can never be normal. Is this the missing tech I was looking for, a press stud releases a mercury reservoir/switches off the micro suspensors? ;)

I also have a sneaking feeling you might be a little influenced by the figure you have?
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Ive never thought about spears in Inquisitor; not sure they're going to be that effective, but I have yet to try or see one in action. It just brings up the image of Indiana Jones squaring up against that sword waving bloke -problem solved with a stubber round to the head.
First off i doubt hardened military veteran (and a armoured one at that) is going to stand 20ft away dancing around and let some guy take shots at him without doing anything? Also how is a spear not effective, it's a wooden haft with a pointy metal tip,  and on that if stuff like that is not effective then why would they make stuff like chainswords and powerweapons when they can just shoot at each other? thirdly it's a movie.
Quote from: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Try thinking about weapon reach/range and what the character would need/use them for - the crossbow for long range, spear for mid and short sword for close, with either an axe/hammer for mid-close tough stuff/splatter effect. Why have two very similar weapons that fill a similar role?
No i would disagree, A spear is good at dismounting a charging horse and keeping people at distance, an axe is powerful weapon that can lob heads off and cut armour, a Warhammer can better smash through plate armour causing blunt trauma, a sword is good for percision strikes
Quote from: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Im also a little confused as to how the axe or the hammer can have normal and great profiles at the same time - applied to medieval style weapons, great implies larger/heavier and therefore can never be normal. Is this the missing tech I was looking for, a press stud releases a mercury reservoir/switches off the micro suspensors? ;)
The Bastard sword in the rulebook follows the same rules. Even then you can just a hand and half style weapon and while i know it wouldn't be the same as a full size thing if you want to write rules for it be my guest.
Quote from: Flinty on July 28, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
I also have a sneaking feeling you might be a little influenced by the figure you have?
actually i still need to find a figure ;)
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Elva on July 28, 2010, 10:12:13 AM
I think 1337 is trying to represent the weapon's effectiveness, not the weight, and a valiant effort, I would cringe at attempting to wrap my mind around such matters, unless there was a cookie involved, then I'd do it(lack of sleep does weird things to me, most notably adding insane amounts to my leadership:D).

And there is so much variation in the 40k universe weapon wise, especially compared to today's standards, how often do you see a soldier still wielding a banner and sword on the battlefield? If this guy gets up close, I'd be very worried.

And spears are good in some aspects, but they have their draw backs as well, like any other weapon. (too lazy to point them out)

Oh quick note, spears are best used in ranks, a deadly combo would be to have an enforcer with a storm shield and shock maul with this guy supporting, coming in with his payload of iron and steel to finish them off.

For stats, I'd say lower the initiative will power and sagicity, the leadership too if he's not going to be the leader. I don't see a feral worlder, especially a heavy mercenary fighter, having access to good education, and being super speedy. The willpower though you could probably get away with though.(note still needs to read the backstory)
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 11:09:24 AM

I think 1337 is trying to represent the weapon's effectiveness, not the weight, and a valiant effort, I would cringe at attempting to wrap my mind around such matters, unless there was a cookie involved, then I'd do it
Quote from: Elva on July 28, 2010, 10:12:13 AM
(lack of sleep does weird things to me, most notably adding insane amounts to my leadership:D).
join the club of hapless, sleepless zombies who go to bed at 10am and wake at 4pm
And there is so much variation in the 40k universe weapon wise, especially compared to today's standards, how often do you see a soldier still wielding a banner and sword on the battlefield? If this guy gets up close, I'd be very worried.

And spears are good in some aspects, but they have their draw backs as well, like any other weapon. (too lazy to point them out)

Oh quick note, spears are best used in ranks, a deadly combo would be to have an enforcer with a storm shield and shock maul with this guy supporting, coming in with his payload of iron and steel to finish them off.
Quote from: Elva on July 28, 2010, 10:12:13 AM
For stats, I'd say lower the initiative will power and sagicity, the leadership too if he's not going to be the leader. I don't see a feral worlder, especially a heavy mercenary fighter, having access to good education, and being super speedy. The willpower though you could probably get away with though.(note still needs to read the backstory)
then read it then and you'll probably find more ammo for your criticisms which i support so please point them out! (thats the first time i'll ever say that and hopefully the last) But for the reason i won't lower for story reasons is that i envision him as one of those 1 in million people who can do everything and thats why he attracted the attention of the inquisition. Also book smarts is only one part in sagacity it covers a wide range of things such as common sense en such. Also for gameplay reasons he is the leader of my retinue and doesn't really use any guns or powerful weapons but it's made up for in ability which is part of his character.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 11:20:21 AM
Any who this is another character in me assorted band.                                                        



Investigator Erik Karlsonne

Erik Karlsonne has never had an easy life. When he was four his murdered in their house and he witnessed the brutal crime. He was soon sent to Schola Progenium on Golian where he excelled in his studies and physical activities especially boxing. What was truly noted about him though was his keen perception and attention to detail which pretty much set his career path to investigator, which he also wanted to be because of what happened to him. He arrived on the hive world Justas IV to be thrust right into the thick of it. Just as he solved one case another came up until he became physically and mentally exhausted with no end in sight but he still managed to get a guilty verdict on each. But one day he was given a single case which would be the turning point in his career. The murder suspect was the notorious Canas Morman who was a violent gang leader known for his brutal methods. Erik found a mountain of evidence pointing to Canas.

When it came to trial the Judge said not guilty which nearly sent Erik into rage. Knowing that Canas had coerced the judge somehow he continued to wait for Canas to make another mistake but got more and more frustrated at the inefficiency at the justice system. One day he finally snapped and burst into the gang compound with an assault rifle and sprayed the place clean. When he saw the once fearsome man try to get away he laughed and beat him to death. When he got caught for the crime a man called Inquisitor Rooklord came to him and said how he could help him if he was willing to help him. Erik agreed not seeing any point to being jailed or put to death. Ever since then he has helped inquisitor with his investigations.


WS            BS           ST         TG            IN            WP              SG            NV            LD            S
64             61            64          57             56             62                74             65              62             4

Equipment: Autopistol with one reload, 2x Knuckle Dusters, Pump action shotgun with eight shells, Heavy coat on all locations except head, Flak armour on chest

Abilities: Ambidextrous, Hip shooting, Perceptive*

Perceptive*: Give a +20 modifier on all detection tests
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Elva on July 28, 2010, 11:38:05 AM
K I've gone through it, and I think he's pretty cool. Though I'm going to hold off on the stats until someone with a bit more experience than me can settle this debate, I was just pointing out my observations(I'd also recommend using the conclave standard to compare  and contrast). Over all I think its a very interesting idea, I've pondered making a character from a primitive world as well. The one thing though, that could make it even better though, is to justify the fact that he's a one in a billion(converted to 40k terms) a bit more. What I'm taking from is that hes a brilliant fighter and leader, not to mention a sound tactician, but not a one in a billion, it just needs more justification, like a miracle or something along those lines.

Other than that I'd say he's pretty sound. The skills are well represented and he looks like even a Space Marine would have a tough time taking him down.

I hope I didn't come off the wrong way  :-\, we're all friends here and, are committed to improving each others' gaming experience. I look forward to seeing the rest of the warband, its got great potential.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: Elva on July 28, 2010, 11:38:05 AM
K I've gone through it, and I think he's pretty cool. Though I'm going to hold off on the stats until someone with a bit more experience than me can settle this debate, I was just pointing out my observations(I'd also recommend using the conclave standard to compare  and contrast). Over all I think its a very interesting idea, I've pondered making a character from a primitive world as well. The one thing though, that could make it even better though, is to justify the fact that he's a one in a billion(converted to 40k terms) a bit more. What I'm taking from is that hes a brilliant fighter and leader, not to mention a sound tactician, but not a one in a billion, it just needs more justification, like a miracle or something along those lines.
I think besting an army six times your size that is probably better armed and most likely better trained on your first try is a pretty good miracle. But even then his stats can also be said of training which was given to him by his father who would train him until his fell down exhausted near death along with training given to him by inquisitor Rooklord who he is still under after 70yrs. so in comparison it's like taking the gifted and skilled traits in fallout,
(wait why would you want to take skilled?) or a hot newly forged blade being quenched until tempered into cold hard steel.

Other than that I'd say he's pretty sound. The skills are well represented and he looks like even a Space Marine would have a tough time taking him down.
Quote from: Elva on July 28, 2010, 11:38:05 AM
I hope I didn't come off the wrong way  :-\, we're all friends here and, are committed to improving each others' gaming experience. I look forward to seeing the rest of the warband, its got great potential.
well of course you didn't we're all friends here  ;) (saying this while sharpening stabbing knife).
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Elva on July 28, 2010, 12:21:26 PM
Hmm, I guess that would justify it, even if it is superhuman(he is one in a billion after all).

And your second character I am a real huge fan of, even with my trait to find error, he seems flawless. He's pretty spiffy, and well justified, not to mention a cool concept.

Hehe, glad we can laugh about it :) And I'll be sure to keep my Katana close by.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 12:45:43 PM
Thanks i always wanted to do a simple character like him. I also wanted to do a character with a set of brass knuckles heheheheheheh. Well like the japanese say, slice dice and serve on rice.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: MarcoSkoll on July 28, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
There's not much I can say that someone else hasn't already except...

...Paragraph breaks! Please!

A solid block of text is much more of a chore to read than well formatted text. I'm more likely to be put off reading a background by because of poor formatting than because of length.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Zakkeg on July 28, 2010, 03:19:43 PM
S and T in the 80s should probably be reserved for those of Schwarzenegger-esque build (and that's in his Mr. Universe days). Being a feral worlder I assume he's meant to be a big lad, but I still won't quite buy it without seeing a model.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 28, 2010, 09:46:30 PM
the finding the model is still a WIP but i have found a good looking 65mm model http://www.fantization.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7189
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Zakkeg on July 28, 2010, 10:33:48 PM
Interesting choice. I've always liked the model, but I'd be afraid that at 65mm he wouldn't look "tall" so much as "out of proportion." (Though of course it's impossible to tell without actually having a scale comparison shot.) Have you considered basing him on this chap (http://www.fantization.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7237) instead? With a bit of putty those enormous muscles of his could be quite convincingly turned into an anatomically formed greco-roman style breastplate, I reckon.

And of course there's the additional upshot that he fulfills my criteria for S/T in the 80s, for whatever that's worth.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 29, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
How would that be out of proportion? Ok so the Artemis model is said to be 67mm and while this one 65mm, 102mm including the banner on his back. It's possible that he is just a very tall man but while i admit that it's hard to have someone very tall in a medieval society where there is no proper diet there can still be very tall people. Pier Gerlofs Donia, a medieval pirate who raided Holland was around 7ft tall and is said to have wielded a sword around 7ft tall and weighed 6.6kg. But even Robert Wadlow, the recorded tallest man had an amazing mesured height of 8ft 11in just before his death. so as a model he would be like 80 to 90mm in height? So how would it really be out of proportion?
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Zakkeg on July 29, 2010, 02:33:05 AM
All I said was that I'm afraid he'd look out of proportion. I'm by no means certain - it's just that those who are 7-8' tall tend to be built somewhat differently from the average person. So when you've got a mini of ordinary proportions that's just scaled up from all the others it's standing next to, the tendency is to trigger an "uncanny valley"-type effect, and the character will often end up looking out of place.

Note that I've deliberately shied away from making absolute statements above - we can't know for sure without a side-by-side comparison. And even if he does end up looking a bit off, you may be okay with that. I just wanted to point out the possibility and offer an alternative. If you don't share my concern, though, then by all means go with Sumothay. It's a great model; there's no denying that.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 29, 2010, 04:36:41 AM
well anyway here me third char

           Sergeant Morris "The Immortal" Zeist

Born in a middle class family on the world of Rarik, his life was mostly uninteresting until by imperial decree ordered for the making of an imperial guard regiment. He, his older brother Rikk and his father Cyrus who was already the head of PDF were all called for service. When he and his brother got to training they found that their drill instructor Grigor was nothing less than sadistic. He would constantly beat and berate cruelly the trainees particularly Rikk who would always fumble. They tried to tell their father but he would always be busy with preparations.

Morris then tried to make Rikk learn better but even though Rikk was making progress it still wasn't enough. One day when Rikk was field striping his lasrifle one of the parts went missing and the drill instructor then punished all of the trainees by making them march fifty kilometers in a particularly heavy rainstorm with full gear on.

After the march Morris then found his brother being beaten by the other trainees but did nothing to interfere as he didn't want to risk standing out. After that incident the drill instructor didn't even yell at Rikk anymore which Morris found to be odd. One night his brother got out of his bunk, Morris who was still awake followed him to discover his brother's dark secret. He found instructor and Rikk together having sex which only infuriated him. The next day he asked his brother what that all about and Rikk said "that it was the only way". Morris then viciously attacked Rikk beating him to near death before the instructor came in and the two began fighting.

Suddenly there was a shot fired and Rikk was lying dead with a laspistol in his mouth. A commissar with a section of troops broke up the fight. A disbelieving father kept Morris from being shot by a firing squad. After that incident Morris was sent to quagmire of different battlefields with each worse than the last turning him into this almost cold automaton who expresses no emotion. Now entering eightieth year of service to the guard he was nearing his retirement when he came onto the world of Cithon which was infested which daemons. One of the few to come out of the conflict with no mental issues. He was picked up by Inquisitor Rooklord who has since then pledged his service to.




WS    BS     ST     TG    IN    WP      SG      NV     LD      S
62    74     56     58    60    69      58      82     63      4

Equipment: Lasrifle with 3 reloads, Disposable Rocket launcher with Super Fragmentation missile and bayonet

Morris is Right handed

Special abilities: Force of Will, True grit, Rock Steady Aim
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Flinty on July 29, 2010, 07:40:47 AM
Minor fluff quibble over Sgt Morris (nice background story); not sure that IG grunts serve for 80 years. I can imagine the odd vetran reaching retirement after 25 years or so, but it could only be the rear echelon types who could rack up more than that. I imagine rejuve treatments are strictly reserved for upper rank brass hats, war heros on recruitment campaigns and those dodgy Corporals who seem to get hold of everything.

But heigh ho, its a big universe.

Bit of a necro response, but..

QuoteA spear is good at dismounting a charging horse and keeping people at distance

Have I stumbled into a Witch Hunter thread?  :)
Not seen many mounted characters in Inquisitor (but, of course, they are out there somewhere), you can also dismount a rider and keep the (admittedly more sensible and lightly armoured) at bay with a las pistol. Im not entirely sure the close combat rules in Inquisitor are adequate at representing fending people off with a spear. Whilst I agree with your concept, I think the game mechanics might frustrate your execution - Id be interested to hear how it pans out in game play.

Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 29, 2010, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: Flinty on July 29, 2010, 07:40:47 AM
Minor fluff quibble over Sgt Morris (nice background story); not sure that IG grunts serve for 80 years. I can imagine the odd vetran reaching retirement after 25 years or so, but it could only be the rear echelon types who could rack up more than that. I imagine rejuve treatments are strictly reserved for upper rank brass hats, war heros on recruitment campaigns and those dodgy Corporals who seem to get hold of everything.
I wanted to base the character off of The Sergeant (yes that is the character name) from the film Big Red One who was played by Lee Marvin. Even though this is off topic a bit i suggest you watch that film it's really good. So my character as you could say is one of those emotionless old blood and guts army bastards.

But heigh ho, its a big universe.

Bit of a necro response, but..

QuoteA spear is good at dismounting a charging horse and keeping people at distance

Quote from: Flinty on July 29, 2010, 07:40:47 AM
Have I stumbled into a Witch Hunter thread?  :)
Not seen many mounted characters in Inquisitor (but, of course, they are out there somewhere), you can also dismount a rider and keep the (admittedly more sensible and lightly armoured) at bay with a las pistol. Im not entirely sure the close combat rules in Inquisitor are adequate at representing fending people off with a spear. Whilst I agree with your concept, I think the game mechanics might frustrate your execution - Id be interested to hear how it pans out in game play.

This is why armour and lots bravado was created
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: Flinty on July 30, 2010, 07:24:59 AM
Lee Marvin - you can't go wrong!

Now Ive got his version of ''I Was Born'' stuck in my head (which did add a wierd twist to my viewing of the Big Red One a bit ...)


And for our younger members who are not au fait with 70's musical westerns;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEiwrISIiU&feature=PlayList&p=5F460AFA9CD68EE8&playnext=1&index=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEiwrISIiU&feature=PlayList&p=5F460AFA9CD68EE8&playnext=1&index=18)

Im sure there's a version where he sang it less than sober...but I cant find it.

Edit: !&*%? link...
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 09:35:01 AM
now fer me last char

                                             Inquisitorial Operative Marius Rooklord


Born to Inquisitor Hastus Rooklord with his mother still remaining unknown to him and growing up in the arms of his father, Marius has only recently begun serving the Inquisition as an operative. Like that of his father he was also a latent psyker who is mastering his gifts under his father tutelage. In his first operation of infiltrating the dictatorship of Shangso he managed not only to gain their trust but steal many important documents which would be vital to the investigation and the capture of Shangso. His talents were then further noticed when he destroyed an expansive chaos cult on the world of Perigan Heights single handedly by killing leader and his cohort through well placed explosive charges that buried the traitorous men and women alive in their caves. Due to these actions Marius has attracted the attentions on several Inquisitors who see a promising acolyte in him.


WS             BS            ST          TG            IN          WP          SG          NV         LD          S
57               62            58           61              62           69           73           66           65           4

Equipment: Autogun with range finder and two reloads, Sword, Flak armour on all locations, Knife

Abilities: Gaze of Death, Telepathy, Distraction
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: RobSkib on July 30, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
How was he able to avoid detection by the Black Ships and other authorities who would want to kill a Rogue psyker on sight? Why does he use an autogun like an average thug when he appears to have above average powers? How does he avoid daemons from the warp pouring into his undereducated brain and ripping his soul out?
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
Quote from: RobSkib on July 30, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
How was he able to avoid detection by the Black Ships and other authorities who would want to kill a Rogue psyker on sight? How does he avoid daemons from the warp pouring into his undereducated brain and ripping his soul out?
I stated that he is the son of Inquisitor Hastus Rooklord (who will be a shadow character for now) who is also a potent psyker and he is training him how to control his powers and manipulate them.
Quote from: RobSkib on July 30, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
Why does he use an autogun like an average thug when he appears to have above average powers?
What kind of question is that? Like oh gee why not just give him a multi melta, power armour, frost blade and give him a special rule that says that he will not use any weapon that he deems to low class. but that might be a bit overpowered. (Five morphine shots later) Well to answer your question constructively why not? Also he is an operative who will go and infiltrate into hostile territory. i feel las weapons give off too much of an "Imperial" feel to them which would mean the difference of keeping his head on his shoulders.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: MarcoSkoll on July 30, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 10:39:16 AMWhat kind of question is that? Like oh gee why not give him a special rule that says that he will not use any weapon that he deems to low class.
No, that's not what Rob means.

He means: "Why does he use an autogun when he is a talented psyker?"
Why would someone who can kill people with a glance decide to encumber themselves with carrying an unnecessarily large and heavy weapon? Sure, a compact pistol for backup maybe, but why a hefty rifle?

Personally, my opinion is the more effective a character's psychic powers, the more they should be reliant on them.
That was the primary mistake I made with Renatus at the 2009 IGT - he wasn't dependent enough on his powers, meaning if you took them away, he was still a reasonably effective character. And that's why he got a complete rewrite/retcon/replacement into Maya.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
But again that still like asking the question which was said before "Why use melee when you got a gun." but what i'm getting at is still, why not have a gun like how librarians have bolt/plasma weapons when they could just use their psyker skills? Anyway he isn't a fully trained psyker so still he could use a gun.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: RobSkib on July 30, 2010, 01:12:50 PM
True, but librarians also wear full suits of power armour, weild bolt pistols and plasma weaponry and are, above all else, Space Marines. For the same reason that 99.9% of 40k archetypes shouldn't be used in Inquisitor as they belong on a battlefield, we'll leave the reasoning of "I'm doing it because a Space Marine does it" behind.

What I'm saying is that Gaze of Death and the Autogun are functionally identical. I don't have a problem with characters using weapons that break the mould, but why give him two weapons that are so similar to each other? It would be like giving him a hand flamer, a flamethrowing psychic power and making all his melee attacks flaming - it might be characterful, but it doesn't give the model a lot of tactical flexibility on the board.

How about looking into some other Telepathy skills instead of Gaze of Death? Enforce Will would fit him very nicely, and gives him plenty of scope for interesting outcomes on the tabletop - making characters throw their weapons off buildings, shoot their teammates in the back, shout really loudly to make their presence known to the large angry mutant, the possibilities are limited only by your creativity. I would also give him a definite 'acolyte' feel to him, rather than 'grunt with psychic bolt attack'.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: MarcoSkoll on July 30, 2010, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 11:59:47 AM...why not have a gun like how librarians have bolt/plasma weapons when they could just use their psyker skills?
Space Marines are made up of massive redundancies. Two hearts, three lungs, several weapons. Take away an item from a Space Marine, and they can find another way to be (very) dangerous. As RobSkib says, a character class (even without introducing Librarians) that is known to absolutely dominate Inquisitor is hardly a good precedent.

Inquisitor characters shouldn't really include redundancies unless you can explain why they're justified - they remove potential weaknesses, and those are an important part of the game.

Simple example of a redundancy: Lyra Rhodes carries both a magnum revolver (her main ranged weapon), and a concealable stubber (the redundancy).
Reason for redundancy: She's an Inquisitor. Most Inquisitors are paranoid enough that carrying a small "emergency" weapon is probably the norm - small both so that it's less likely to be found and that it isn't such a hindrance that it's no longer worth carrying for the small chance that it'll be needed.

It is also a minor redundancy, as the stubber is a considerably inferior alternative to the revolver. The end result (at least in my opinion) is a characterful and well reasoned addition that is unlikely to detract from gameplay.

In my opinion, "why not" and the similar "because he/she can" are pretty poor answers for why a character design choice was made.

As RobSkib suggests, I'd either replace Gaze of Death with more indirect telepathy, or swap the autogun for something that conflicts less with the power.
Title: Re: Interrogator Brennus von Theastalos
Post by: 1337inquisitor on July 30, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
ok yeah see your point  i just misunderstood the question. i'll get rid of gaze of death and give him mind scan