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Started by JoelMcKickass, April 14, 2011, 12:00:51 AM

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JoelMcKickass

In a thread ealier, a couple of people were discussing the idea of doing something to getting GW's attention (sort of). A couple of ideas were thrown around, such as someone buying a model a month (funds etc kill that idea though). I had an idea that the entire community can do.

I'm not sure if you all have a "wishlist" from the Specialist range, (models that you want but haven't gotten for whatever reason), but i know i certainly do. Now, my idea is that we, basically, save, rob, sell, burn, scrounge the money to get them all on the one day, or as many as is feasible. Basically a way to draw attention to the Inquisitor in a way that GW, as a business, would understand. A whole lot of profit.

In a way, it's more of a community thing, we can get what we want, either to add to a warband, get a few parts you're looking for and can use to convert with or create a new and different character, and then show each other how the progress goes. The upside for us is that we as a community get to do something together, the upside for GW is a decent amount of money.

So, is anyone else up for getting our Wishlist's?

DapperAnarchist

Is it ok if I have only one GW model on my wishlist? Currently, I have plans for some scratchbuilds, two models based on the Devout sisters (that's one purchase), and a couple based on non-GW models.
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JoelMcKickass

Any is perfect, the quantity isn't the thing, it's more the act of getting one.

The problem i'm having is that i've gone from Slick Devlan, Barbaretta, Malicant and Josef....

To those three, plus the Thorian Inquisitor, Eisenhorn, Gruss and Navis Nobilatai...

MarcoSkoll

My advice is to not bother. Buy your models when you need them, because even with the whole forum coordinating to buy on just one day, it won't make much more than a smallish blip in the sales that could be discarded as a statistical anomaly.
And however successful, one day of freakishly high sales wouldn't be enough to make GW rethink their policies on Inquisitor - sales would need to permanently rise to provide a challenge for the Big Three.

While I did deliberately schedule a recent purchase so I made it at WHW, and indeed for the sake of just being obvious that I was buying Inquisitor stuff, I don't really believe it did any more than make a couple of the store staff think a bit more about Inquisitor that day.

If you want to make GW think about Inquisitor, then you're more likely to have success by coaxing the forum into recruiting new players en masse. They'd probably start noticing Inquisitor events that were booking a large chunk of the WHW hall on a regular basis, but us few using a half dozen tables twice a year won't cut it.
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Kaled

I'm afraid I agree with Marco - one day of slightly higher than normal sales isn't going to do anything, and even if it was brought to the attention of someone high up why would they decide to support Inquisitor more? Wouldn't they just think it good that Inquisitor still sells even when they don't support it.

Better I think is supporting Inquisitor in the community - recruiting new players, writing new articles for DM, organising games in your local area, anything to raise the profile of the game that'll bring in new players.
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dirkthe1

It's a shame that as customers we are in a no win situation-stay as it is,with no support,taking over, or we all go mad, spend our savings on models, at which point they go "look at that, its selling" and put the prices up.

With all the talk of the switch to resin, we will have to wait and see.

Would I be wrong in saying bloodbowl gets much more support,and occasionally new models? But then it has a much larger following-just look at naf and the several rounds for the tourney each year.

My 2pence for what its worth-what is the feasibility of getting it back in shops more,then maybe inter shop stuff. Even area managers arnt so stupid that they can't notice trend, and it also might get people playing-I really struggle down my way for games, but if I get 1 person to play with me, its got to be good, if I do it store, there might be more!

Kaled

Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 14, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
It's a shame that as customers we are in a no win situation-stay as it is,with no support
I'm curious - do people really think there's no support for the game?  Sure, GW doesn't support it but what about Dark Magenta and other community projects?  As someone who contributes to both I find it rather disappointing and discouraging when people keep saying there's no support for the game.  The material released by Dark Magenta seems to me to be at least as good as the GW stuff (plus some of it is by the same writers, thus explaining why it's just as good).  So why do people keep complaining there's no support?  Is support from the community not as good as support from GW?

Or maybe the question should be - models aside, what support do you want to see for the game?
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dirkthe1

Quote from: Kaled on April 14, 2011, 07:48:53 AM
Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 14, 2011, 07:22:52 AM
It's a shame that as customers we are in a no win situation-stay as it is,with no support
I'm curious - do people really think there's no support for the game?  Sure, GW doesn't support it but what about Dark Magenta and other community projects?  As someone who contributes to both I find it rather disappointing and discouraging when people keep saying there's no support for the game.  The material released by Dark Magenta seems to me to be at least as good as the GW stuff (plus some of it is by the same writers, thus explaining why it's just as good).  So why do people keep complaining there's no support?  Is support from the community not as good as support from GW?

Or maybe the question should be - models aside, what support do you want to see for the game?

One thing I have seen- as I am new to the game-is the fact that it is the community and not GW providing the support.

I think its more when you ask people- clubs etc, which i have whilst trying to find games- is that the concensus is that its dead, gw arnt interested, etc. I add that I direct them to here and similar. But you are right, with all the stuff that is being created, what exactly do we need GW for?

I guess from my point of view the question would be what is to stop another company producing models for the game- independant of GW, thereby dispelling the myth that the game is dead?!

MarcoSkoll

Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 14, 2011, 07:22:52 AMWhat is the feasibility of getting it back in shops more?
Depends on the manager and how many of his regulars he'd tick off by saying yes or no. But many stores won't allow Specialist Games to be played on their tables.

There are various reasons: "Too complicated, and might put passers by off" (as if 40k is something you could make heads and tails of from a glance), "Not a core product carried on our shelves for immediate sale" and assorted other piffle.

Of course, you might find a manager who can be coaxed into it. Some of them will have been fans of it previously or be won over by pretty models (but really, no pushing your luck by using non-GW models).

Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 14, 2011, 09:07:53 AMI guess from my point of view the question would be what is to stop another company producing models for the game
Trademarks, Copyright and all those other things which fall under the mass term "Intellectual Property".

You can make 54mm models perfectly legally. You cannot however sell them as 54mm Inquisitor models, because GW have the trademark on selling miniatures under that name.
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Captain L. Rollin: "Nonsense. Never heard of it."
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dirkthe1

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on April 14, 2011, 09:38:44 AM
Trademarks, Copyright and all those other things which fall under the mass term "Intellectual Property".

You can make 54mm models perfectly legally. You cannot however sell them as 54mm Inquisitor models, because GW have the trademark on selling miniatures under that name.

Yes, but why dont GW allow someone to do it under licence- they arnt interested in doing much for it, and as established, its pretty much run by the community. They are unlikely to, i admit, but has anyone ever asked?!

As you said, it would be difficult to get back into stores, but I geuss avery shop you get it back into is a small victory.

MarcoSkoll

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Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 14, 2011, 10:20:21 AMYes, but why dont GW allow someone to do it under licence
Because only GW sell GW models. They did once or twice licence things in the past (places like Armorcast used to produce Titans), but all those things have either been brought back in house, or are merely contracted out to then be sold under the GW name.

They've licensed out the RPGs because a roleplay game is not something GW see as a threat to their vision of themselves as predominantly a miniatures manufacturer - their rules are simply marketing for their models. A roleplay game isn't going to yield huge miniatures sales, but if there's a company who's prepared to pay you for the privilege of doing more marketing for your main product...

To be honest, while I think FFG have made a few goofs (adding most of an order of magnitude to the crew numbers for 40k ships) and need to hire more proofreaders, I think they're doing the more important work for now (and they will, as far as I can tell, continue to do so) because they're developing the background - which, in my opinion, is Games Workshop's greatest strength. After all, it's not GW's flawed rules or insane prices that've kept me in the hobby for this long...
S.Sgt Silva Birgen: "Good evening, we're here from the Adeptus Defenestratus."
Captain L. Rollin: "Nonsense. Never heard of it."
Birgen: "Pick a window. I'll demonstrate".

GW's =I= articles

Kaled

Again we're back on models - but is lack of new GW models what people really mean when they say the game is dead or not supported? And why is continued support seen as that important anyway? What support does the game need? Why do people care if GW take an active interest and release new stuff or if the community does it? Given all the whining I see on 40K forums that the new codices are rubbish etc, I'd have thought some people would be happier with less support from GW...
I like to remember things my own way... Not necessarily the way they happened.

Inquisitor - Blood Bowl - Malifaux - Fairy Meat

dirkthe1

Dont get me wrong- I personally dont see an issue with them not being involved. However the general feedback I'm getting from clubs, etc when I ask if anyone plays is that GW dont support it, etc, etc. If that is what people are thinking then the question is how exactly do you change that thought?

Kaled

Well, that's kind of my question - if we understood why lack of GW support is seen as such a bad thing (even when there are other sources of support) then it might be easier to influence that view and make people think more positively about the game...
I like to remember things my own way... Not necessarily the way they happened.

Inquisitor - Blood Bowl - Malifaux - Fairy Meat

Stormgrad

GW like to make profit, GW make this profit by making pretty new models which require a pretty new book which requires a revamp of the core rules and again a pretty new book. what im saying is every couple of years gw pretty much add to or redo every single Army in there WHFB or WH40K Ranges this leads to people devolping shiny syndrome going out buying en masse and in bulk a tonne of product for which ever army is flavor of the month this month (look on warseer at the amount of grey knight blogs last month and go further back and see all the dark eldar ones). This makes them money a basic army including associated books is going to set you back about £100. Right now to start inquisitor it could cost you about £5 (if you have the ability to sculpt and a good idea). This is the source of gw's lack of support, and personally although i would love new inquisitor models to be released and new articles to be posted by the games creators im more than happy with the support the game currently recieves from the community, well thought out articles by veterans of the game who have an in depth knowledge of the 40k universe.

Infact GW in a way do support inquisitor, by allowing FFG to produce the WH40k Roleplays they add content to the universe ideas and characters for us to draw from and help us pad out and fill our naratives (which is what inquisitor is, a Narative wargame)