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Citadel Finecast
« on: May 20, 2011, 08:35:05 AM »
Earlier this week GW announced a new range they call citadel finecast, which appears to be the replacement of metals by resin as has been rumoured(and deemed unlikely by me) They haven't given much information yet but on other sites people 'in the know' have confirmed that it will be resin of a more flexible kind than Forgeworld's.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 08:42:17 AM »
I betcha there won't be an Inquisitor miniature amongst them .. sadly. Ah well, I wonder if I can get a Resin Space Marine instead. He'll probably hold together easier.

I doesn't say anything about Risen on there though, how do you know this will be it?

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 08:51:29 AM »
I read about it on warseer, Harry(a very reliable rumourmongerer there) confirmed it. There have also been talks to managers about the great new resin they will use.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 05:00:00 PM »
Went into Bristol GW today and had a long chat with the manager, he said they are releasing 100 miniatures in the first wave and they will be in Resin, judging by the promo posters he showed me they look very nice and some have the possibility to have a few gubbin worthy of use in Inq though he made no mention of prices....
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 05:26:18 PM »
Went into Bristol GW today and had a long chat with the manager, he said they are releasing 100 miniatures in the first wave and they will be in Resin, judging by the promo posters he showed me they look very nice and some have the possibility to have a few gubbin worthy of use in Inq though he made no mention of prices....

Lucky Bristol. Swansea's boss was refusing to discuss the matter in anything but the absolute vaguest of terms until the 28th to 'make it a bit more exciting'.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 05:30:33 PM »
Well to be fair, he was actually the Bath manager filling in for Bristol and had to unpack a huge order so probably a bit disgruntled and bitterly releasing secrets :P
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 07:22:20 PM »
though he made no mention of prices...
Not surprising really. There have been leaks from the independent retailers that most prices are going up 20% over current metals (although all prices are going up, not just the resin), so I can't see he'd wanted to have mentioned it.

Indeed, the news means I'm voting with my wallet. I'll keep playing, but what I don't already have I can do without or can buy elsewhere.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 07:45:09 PM »
I've heard rumblings that direct sales will continue to produce metals for figures that haven't yet been switched to the new resin. This would presumably include all the Specialist stuff. Would seem like sense or there would be a load of figures unavailable for a good while until they get remastered.

But I guess concrete details will come after the 28th.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 09:23:13 PM »
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Not surprising really. There have been leaks from the independent retailers that most prices are going up 20% over current metals (although all prices are going up, not just the resin), so I can't see he'd wanted to have mentioned it.

I know, we're not supposed to discuss pricing so I'll just say ... gosh.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2011, 11:05:31 PM »
Indeed, the news means I'm voting with my wallet. I'll keep playing, but what I don't already have I can do without or can buy elsewhere.

Heh. I haven't bought a GW miniature in years. When a company starts asking 10 for what is essentially a piece of shaped metal, I raise an eyebrow.

Nowadays, I use eBay, largely because GW no longer stocks many of the things I am interested in (Specialist Games miniatures, primarily,) and I also do a lot of self-sculpting / self-casting. Perhaps when my skills at making moulds meets my (borderline acceptable) sculpting skills, I'll start retailing....

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2011, 02:25:53 AM »
Well, my Inquisitor stuff is mostly self-sculpted (...or heavily converted Airfix). Still, I do have an Eldar army I've been working on every now and again, and I'd been buying miscellaneous sundries out of what was an ill founded sense of loyalty.

But they've now pushed too many things too far, and I rather hope enough people agree with me that the drop in sales will smack some sense into the management.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2011, 02:24:45 PM »
In the last 12 months or so, I've spent about 2500 on Games Workshop products, of which only about 100 was spent with them directly and the rest was through discount retailers.  However, it's noticeable that in the last three months the number of commissions I've had to paint stuff that isn't GW has increased substantially.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2011, 04:29:44 PM »
GW long ago priced themselves out of the gaming community (so much so that their target demographic, i.e. teenagers can no longer afford to purchase their products leading to low profit yields) and now the only thing keeping them afloat is their high street availability. I guarantee if other systems (such as Warmachine) had similar availability, GW would decline further.

As too this new 'finecast', I personally don't care much for resin as its a pig to work with, and having seen the GW results, I can honestly say that they're less than impressive.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2011, 10:01:53 PM »
Oh dear. I seem to have derailed this thread. A couple of comments...

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However, it's noticeable that in the last three months the number of commissions I've had to paint stuff that isn't GW has increased substantially.
Interesting... it's not necessarily a mass exodus - it could be that your studio is becoming more known outside the GW community - but it certainly doesn't sound good.

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I guarantee if other systems (such as Warmachine) had similar availability, GW would decline further.
Oddly, enough, it's quite often said to be GW's stores that are part of the problem. While on one side of things, it's a big advert, on the flipside, the overheads on the stores are a big drain on their coffers.

... and now an attempt to crowbar this back on topic:

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I am interested to see the new resins. I know it's not going to be the wonder material GW are suggesting (I've worked with enough resin models to know that much), but it's nonetheless one of the biggest changes to their product in years.

The casting quality and quirks of working with the new material (which as I understand, is actually a plastic/resin hybrid) will be a very much make or break thing for GW, so its success or lack thereof will affect GW's future in the market.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 02:41:13 AM »
If you get a dud metal casting, you just throw it back in the pot. If you get a dud resin casting... Well I suppose if you grind it up finely enough you could use it as filler in another model.
The cost of a resin changeover has got to be high.
This puts them on par with Boutique manufacturers with even smaller profit margins.
Although metals not their core right now, it's plastic injection molding. Can resin profits pay for metal toolings?