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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2011, 02:52:06 AM »
That does raise new questions about quality control.

A "sorta okay" metal is easy to throw back into the melting pot, but I wonder how many "sorta okay" resin models they'll let through because they can't.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2011, 03:38:01 AM »
That's a seriously unpleasant thought, Marco....
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2011, 12:06:18 PM »
It also matches to many people's experience of Forge World. Unless the output is much less mistake prone than FW, GW Finecast is going to be dumping a lot of stuff. And while Forge World are small enough that calling them gets you through to a small company where things can be done, GW is a big international company now...

Though perhaps they have solved that problem, which wouldn't surprise me that much. We may critique some of their model design, and their rule design, and the background they produce, but they do seem to have the most advanced production technology out there...
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2011, 01:50:15 PM »
But they do seem to have the most advanced production technology out there...
Hardly. They've never done an injection mould with more than two slides (which was the Baneblade, I think). Other companies have done seven, possibly more.

And slide moulds are still a 40 year old technology, with Tamiya having used it in the late 60s - so they're not exactly forging ahead on that one.

They're good, but they're not as cutting edge as they'd like to pretend.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2011, 02:12:25 PM »
aye; pickup any Spartan Games miniature; we do things with resin that put GWs metals to shame...
with some of the more complicated things i've cast, i'm reeling from the prices GW are charging... may grab the cheapest figure to see what quality is like; Forgeworld quality and price is a disgrace.. combined with Marcos' point about metals being melted back down.. for its price resin isn't worth breaking down for reuse (you grind it up and use the powder to bulk up the liquid resin)
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2011, 03:33:44 PM »
Fair enough - though it wasn't either their resin or their metal production I meant, but what I've been told about their plastics... Their metals seem to be at best ordinary (though benefitting from having people like Goodwin and Diaz around, of course) and the resin, though nicely designed, is infamous for coming broken, missing, bubbly, or twisted.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2011, 08:54:18 AM »
Those price increases, are they worldwide or a UK thing?(sorry for going off topic again)

In my limited experience other manufacturers tend to have better casting quality than GW, they just have some very good sculptors and a large model range with a nice universe to play in.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2011, 12:29:45 PM »
Those price increases, are they worldwide or a UK thing?(sorry for going off topic again)

In my limited experience other manufacturers tend to have better casting quality than GW, they just have some very good sculptors and a large model range with a nice universe to play in.

worldwide i fear, as they increase in germany as well...
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Re: Citadel Finecast
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2011, 10:09:50 PM »
More news!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16700019a
might be late.

Dunno where to start here as I have a few things to say and not much inclination to write a long post. I suppose I'll start with saying that I haven't bought any stuff from them for ages and don't intend to.

Metals have always been nicer than plastic for crisp details, despite these advanced techniques that they apparently use when making their plastics (which seem to be getting better but still aren't as good as pewter). Regarding the quoted post and link therein, they're saying that these previously pewter made models, now done it some sort of resin composite, will be even crisper? I'll believe it when I see it I guess.

As for quality control, well their prices will soon be on a par with FW, I suppose they'll aim for the same level of QC too, and presumably even that abysmal standard will be unattainable given the volume of product involved.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2011, 11:56:28 PM »
The cynical side of me says several things. In approximate order:

- "after all they are the ones that have spent the last few months living and breathing Citadel Finecast". Yeah, I wouldn't have put "breathing" in that sentence, given the reputation of resin.

- No, one of the main reasons you've changed is because Resin is far cheaper than Tin. Detail is just your excuse.

- Hmm, funny they don't put pictures of these new resins alongside the metals they're replacing so we can see this vast leap in detail.

- I'm expecting the stores to not look like that. It's basically the same model as you could've had years ago, it just weighs less and costs more. Most painters won't be able to do the extra detail any justice, and any but the most diaphanous layers of paint mean it'll end up looking the same as the one you bought last week, your wallet will just be an awful lot lighter.

In short, it reads like a load of hype. Prediction: Flash in the pan.

Perhaps a good business decision overall because of the drop in materials costs (although the cost of converting the moulds cannot be trivial, and assuming they haven't pushed the profit/sales balance even further from equilibrium), but as far as it being some suddenly roaring success which every gamer is rushing out to hoard for their collection, I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2011, 12:27:42 AM »
But if they say it loudly and often enough, that makes it true, right? That's how this 'marketing' thing works, right?  ;D

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2011, 07:27:30 AM »
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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2011, 08:42:22 AM »
It doesn't seem all that highly detailed to me to be honest, not much better than the pewter, and certainly not better than what I have seen from other manufacturers.

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Re: Citadel Finecast
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 08:44:18 AM »
Marco:
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your wallet will just be an awful lot lighter.

And your miniature case ... because that's what's really important, right?

Biggreengribbly:
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That's how this 'marketing' thing works, right?

Having worked in marketing, depressingly this often proves to be true. However, even the best marketing cannot make an unaffordable (not expensive, unaffordable) product desirable to those that can't afford it. I wonder if we may have passed that boundary with this latest price hike.

In which case ... all the marketing in the world can't help!