Author Topic: Project Jubilee (a.k.a. Leander, 54mm Warhound Titan)  (Read 11641 times)

Offline Draco Ferox

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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 07:21:25 PM »
Of course, a princeps model opens up all sorts of escort mission posibilities. And I wouldn't suggest balancing models on top, but using counters, and holding the models in place when they are required (for LOS etc). It doesnt really hurt if a counter falls off. I know it might seem a bit cheap, but I just want someone to jump on and off it, space marine style.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 07:24:14 PM »
I wouldn't suggest balancing models on top, but using counters, and holding the models in place when they are required (for LOS etc).

The dice gods favour models that don't use stunt doubles ;)

But yes, I whole-heartedly agree about creating a kind of scaffolding so that models can fight around it. It would make an incredible centre piece. Kinda makes me want to put together a Princeps now...
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 08:09:14 PM »
But I would suggest having it more as a movable terrain piece instead of a vehicle- I want to see characters jumping onto its back from high hab-blocks, and fighting atop the carapace and weapons!
It largely is designed to be terrain. And as Kaled says, there's a plan for scaffolding. So a lot of scenarios will be based around the "Stop evil person from starting/destroying the titan".

However, I fully intend to do the full-bore "God Machine goes to War" scenario at some point. It's a bloody titan, how can I NOT?

Duelling on its back... while it sounds cool, my worry is the same as Ynek's. It wouldn't be such a problem with a Lucius pattern, but the Mars doesn't have the same flat carapace. It's all slopes and curves.

However, that has given me an idea. If I've got enough clear plasticard, it should be possible to build a frame that could be fitted on top of the carapace to provide flat surfaces to stand on and perhaps a "safety barrier" of sorts around the edge.
Wouldn't look brilliant in photos, but it would allow models to be up there in relative safety.

Mind you, getting up there in the first place would be a challenge, as it's considerably taller than any of the terrain I can recall seeing at WHW.

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Also, on a minor rules note, what effect will machine empathy have (if any)?
Titans have immensely powerful machine spirits, and Warhounds are even more raw and untempered than their larger relatives. Princeps are recruited from "amongst the Cult Mechanicus or even beyond it" (4th Ed Rulebook pg121) in order to find people strong enough of will to survive the mental link.

I pity any psyker who thinks they can control that - or the mind of a person who can.

Should I assume that the next edition of the Revised Armoury will include titan weapons?
There might be a teensy problem with the Encumbrance penalties:



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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 09:06:38 PM »
Mind you, getting up there in the first place would be a challenge, as it's considerably taller than any of the terrain I can recall seeing at WHW.

Grav chutes? Grapnels? That effin huge valkyrie of Kaled's? They were on it when it moved out of the dock (possibly a continuation of stop the bad guy getting the titan)?

And I completely support the "god machine goes to war" concept. I do, however, feel that unless you happen to have Ursakar E. Creed in your warband (and if so, why is he not on Cadia?), you'll have a tough time hiding that thing while investigating. The scaffolding sounds almost as large a project as the titan itself!
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 07:26:14 AM »
The sister is in one of the worst possible places, the gun is immense! But encumbrance should be no problem for Lord-Inquisitor Caseus Maximus, just use a few suspensor units and an insane strength bonus.

Perhaps the titan is hidden by a giant poster designed to make it look like something else, Godzilla perhaps?

(Caseus is latin for cheese)
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2012, 03:24:34 PM »
Perhaps the titan is hidden by a giant poster designed to make it look like something else, Godzilla perhaps?

Something like the top left of this picture, then? Could work. Though the poster would probably be of a building. Godzilla is abvoiusly an ork/tyranid hybrid, and so the only solution is to nuke 'it
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2012, 03:09:12 AM »
Not much to add beyond the fact that this is an incredible project and I very much look forward to seeing it advance!

Sure; not necessarily that helpful, but credit where credit's due and all that....

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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2012, 04:36:21 AM »
Encouragement is helpful. I wasn't necessarily expecting a horde of suggestions and advice when I posted this, as I'm somewhat off the edge of the map (here there be dragons) with this simply due to the scales involved.
I can say from personal experience, not all the lessons learnt from more modestly scaled scratch-build vehicles have been entirely useful on a model several times the size.

That said, I will have to refer to the wisdom of others when it comes to painting it though.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2012, 11:15:56 AM »


Glad you like them. However, silly stuff like that is not while we're here, and this thread is getting a little derailed. It's about a titan. In 54mm. I still have a hard time getting my head around that.

Marco, those parts which are complete so far look fantastic. Are you planning to have raised detail on the left shin armour plates, and have you decided on a colour scheme yet?
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 02:40:17 PM »
Yes, the left greave will also have raised detail (as will, possibly, the waist plate and head armour, if I find designs that grab me), as the sketched out design below:



I think the cog has the appropriate number of teeth (sixteen, which I think relates to the Universal Laws)

The Latin numerals (MMMMMDCXC) are yet another reference to the same steam locomotive. As is the whole thing really - it goes to the point its absent* sister titan is named after the Jubilee that's still undergoing repair and preservation after its recovery from Woodham Bros. Scrapyard.
*One is probably enough.

The colour scheme is going to follow that same lead (see here again). Mostly maroon, black around working areas and saffron yellow as a secondary colour. Edging and stuff... the brass colour that tends to appear on Titans will do here, there's enough brass on a steam locomotive (there's a reason they call it steampunk).

Conveniently, Humbrol actually do LMS Crimson Lake in their RailMatch range. And while it's a slightly funny purple in the pot it dries pretty much exactly the right colour. Doesn't cover very well though, and will need at least two coats.
It's also a matt/satin finish. I'm not sure about whether I'll want to gloss over that to get the right end result.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 11:09:24 PM »
Blimey!



So, essentially, if I wanted to one-up this thing, I would have to build a full 1:1 scale Titan, or possibly a 54mm scale star-ship.


Either way the parents would be annoyed if I tried to construct one in the living-room. Not least 'cause I'd have to knock out the front wall of the house to make room.



Any thoughts so far on how you intend to manage a scenario with a fully active Titan frolicking merrily around the table, spreading sweetness and light wheresoever it doth?


I look forward with great anticipation to seeing 'Jubilee' completed, and perhaps, at some point in the future, a battle report or two involving the magnificent beast posted on this very forum?
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2012, 03:02:33 AM »
Any thoughts so far on how you intend to manage a scenario with a fully active Titan frolicking merrily around the table, spreading sweetness and light wheresoever it doth?
I can't say too much without spoiling (more) surprised about my IGT scenario, so you'll have to excuse my vagueness.

The primary point is that while the Titan will be part of the scenario setting and related to the player's objectives, it's mostly going to be something they have to try to work around (or use to their advantage). Unimaginatively trying to tackle it head on will most likely result in the expected result.
Basically, roughly the same purpose as you put Walter and your F-grade combat servitor to.

Fortunately for the PCs, there should be a fair few ablative NPCs to keep it (slightly) distracted.

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Perhaps, at some point in the future, a battle report or two involving the magnificent beast posted on this very forum?
I hope (assuming it's done by then) to take enough pictures and a sound recording of the game at the IGT to be able to write up that.

I might, however, also be talked into meeting up with some other players specifically for the purposes of a battle report for Dark Magenta or something.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2012, 10:20:51 AM »
Either way the parents would be annoyed if I tried to construct one in the living-room. Not least 'cause I'd have to knock out the front wall of the house to make room.

A small sacrifice for such a project  ;D

One of my friends-of-a-friend has made a reaver titan from insulation foam and plasticard. It is sadly broken now, but I stood about 4' tall, and always seemed out of proportion for a 40k scale model. however, anyone wants the templates for it, they're on the BWC paper archives at yahoo (I think). The only complaints I would have about using the reaver is that it looked blocky and had little detail, and was fairly top-heavy, which basically meant that once it was on the table, you couldn't really move it without the risk of it toppling over. Marco's titan, on the other hand, appears to be richly adorned.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2012, 01:30:21 PM »
The design looks lovely. I hope to see more soon.
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Re: Project Jubilee
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2012, 02:21:08 AM »
Ugh. Too much stuff happening, not enough Titan. You are invited to badger me silly if you want updates.

So, I've got some more work done on the head.
The upper armour has Milliput work to get the shapes that would be tricky to do in plasticard or balsa. This is only the first stage though, and getting these shapes neatly in MP really needs at least two or three.
Also, I think I need to use thinner balsa for the "nostrils"


This underside is pretty much guesswork, as photos of the bottom of Warhound heads are hard to come by, and I could only find one for Lucius pattern. Needs a few more details and I need to build the stuff to go between the two sets of piping.


At this stage, I need to make the call on whether to motorise the mega bolter, as it means redesigning the electrical system and ordering in parts.
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