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2014 Dual Scale Spring Event -- Ancient Rites -- WHW, May 3rd
« on: September 28, 2013, 10:35:23 PM »
As I mentioned earlier today during the dénouement for the Eramus Affair, I'd like to at least help to run a Spring Conclave towards the back end of April or beginning of May (tentative date: 26th April, which avoids Easter weekend, but at this stage, this is obviously just a suggestion).

And I'd like to run it at 28mm dual scale.


Why 28mm dual scale?

I had a big old list of reasons earlier in Bugman's, but I forgot most of them! Here are the few that I remember:

1) It's something different
2) It presents an opportunity to get those creative juices flowing, and especially with how long we have between now and next spring, there's plenty of time to think about what to do and how to do it
3) IMO, there's just a bigger selection of 28mm models out there :P
4) I'd like to foster some closer relations between the Conclave and Ammobunker communities, as when all's said and done, both communities play Inquisitor
5) The Lethal Joke Reason: I've got some Glade Riders that I tried to convert into Dark Riders for a WFB Dark Elf army; that, sadly, never got off the ground (as I'm not really into WFB). However, for some reason they made me think about Eldar Exodites, which I'm fairly sure I can convert... so I already have Exodites as the beginning of a theme!

If there's something else you guys would prefer to see, of course, then by all means tell me, and similarly if someone else wants to run a Spring Conclave or other event then that's also fine.

In any event, I'm just putting this out there for general discussion.




EDIT: Copied from Page 5 and Ammobunker.

I'm currently aiming to hold a Dual Scale Event on April 26th (the last Saturday in April). I've not yet approached WHW, but I will do so in a couple of weeks.

And I had some thoughts on the matter.

Firstly, logistics.

As I see no present obstacles to holding it on April 26th, I'll approach GW with that date a bit nearer the time. I'll also be working out times in due course; I'm aiming for 90 minute time slots, giving us 10 for changeover/setting up, and 80 for an actual game. This may be subject to further change.



I'd like some volunteers to help out with GM duties on the day -- and if you'd like to use this as an opportunity to run a scenario of your own devising, let me know and we can work it in. I've planned sixteen scenarios, of which nine are integral to the event and I'd definitely like to see a tenth happen. So there are six potential openings if someone wants to run their own scenario, but I'd primarily like GMs willing to GM one of the main scenarios :P

On such a note, some of the scenarios can be run with Player GMs, but some can't, so I'd like some Dedicated GMs in the mix as well.

I don't foresee there being "scoring", but I'll probably produce some "assets" (in card form or otherwise) for those who win a particular scenario -- these may give them extra wargear, a NPC operative, or even an impediment depending on the scenario and how I feel at the time. ;D



Notes on the setting!

The event will be set in the Abraxis Sector:


Located in central Ultima Segmentum and rimward of the Dalthus Sector, Abraxis is mostly frontier space, with a considerable number of worlds that have yet to be reclaimed or rediscovered by the Imperium. By and large, the sector's Imperial presence is concentrated within Sub-Sectors Abraxis and Zorya; Kauket, Achlys and Nyx remain outside of Imperial control, and Charun is subject to an Inquisitorial blockade following the investigation into the Arch Worlds phenomenon.

Koroneia, the planet on which the event will take place, is located in Sub-Sector Kauket, close to the Abraxis-Zorya boundary line (on the map, it's roughly between the final "s" in Sub-Sector Abraxis and the "H" in Howling Stars).

What will this mean for people wanting to use certain characters?

Characters from Dalthus will have absolutely no problem making the journey to Koroneia by way of either Loidis or the Borderworlds.

Characters from Carthax may have a slightly harder time, primarily because I'd like us not to bring the Arch Worlds into this (besides which, there's a blockade in the way). Having said that, if you want to use Carthaxian characters, you most definitely can, as the objective is to play games. Maybe they have an Abraxian counterpart?

Brand-new Abraxian characters, or Abraxian analogues of existing characters, are also encouraged at either scale. :)



On scale:

Obviously the intention is for this event to be a dual-scale affair. I'm aware that some people have a distinct preference for One Scale Only -- and that's fine as long as everyone can play nice with each other.

To that end, if you want to bring 28mm Only, that's fine.
If you want to bring 54mm Only, that's fine.
If you want to bring two different groups of characters -- one at 54mm, one at 28mm -- then that's great (bonus points if the two groups know each other!)
If, as I know Keravin and Kaled do, you have the same main character at both scales, with different sets of henchmen and operatives at different scales, then that's brilliant. And if anyone actually does that, then I will buy them the drink of their choice from Bugman's.




If you'd like to come along, please let me know, and tell me whether you'll be 28mm Only, 54mm Only, Dual Scale - Two Groups, or Dual Scale - One Group. :)




We currently have expressions of interest, or potential interest, from:

Dual Scale
Myself (can GM both)
Keravin (one group)
MarcoSkoll (can GM)
Gav (work permitting)
Cortez (can GM)

54mm
Heroka Vendile (can GM both)
Kaled

28mm
Chilli Fueled Heretic (expressed by email)
Neil101 (expressed by private message)
Irisado (expressed on 40KOnline)

As Yet Unconfirmed Scale Preference
Shannow?
Molotov?
Holiad?
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 10:51:05 PM »
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more coherent post after a sleep but i've no issue playing 28mm; i just prefer 54!
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 11:32:23 AM »
Personally, I'm against the idea of a 28mm event - for purely selfish reasons. I've put a lot of time, money and effort into building my collection of 54mm characters and Conclave events are the only place I get to use them - so the prospect of a Conclave event where I can't use them is unappealing to say the least.

Much of what I enjoy about Inquisitor is wrapped up in the characters I've built and the emotional involvement I have with them. The game itself is pretty bad but despite the rather rubbish rules I really enjoy playing - mostly because I enjoy seeing my characters' stories brought to life through their interactions with other people's characters and the communal storytelling with the other players. I don't have that same emotional connection with my 28mm models* - which means that when I play at 28mm, Inquisitor is just a pretty crap game - it still has the enjoyable interactions with other players but it leaves me cold when it comes to the characters.

I know that other people have the same emotional attachment to their 28mm models as I do to my 54mm ones and I certainly have no objection to people playing at that scale (even in the same event), but the reasons given so far for having a28mm event don't come close to outweighing the downside of not being able to use the characters I've invested so much in.



* I've been thinking about why I think of my Inq28 models as just models, not characters and I wonder if it's a kind of 'uncanny valley' effect in that 28mm Kaled looks a lot like the 54mm versions but there's just something not quite right about him. Maybe if I built a different warband I'd feel differently, but GW's 28mm range just doesn't excite me anymore and I don't see me returning to it in the near future...
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2013, 12:03:23 PM »
* I've been thinking about why I think of my Inq28 models as just models, not characters and I wonder if it's a kind of 'uncanny valley' effect in that 28mm Kaled looks a lot like the 54mm versions but there's just something not quite right about him. Maybe if I built a different warband I'd feel differently, but GW's 28mm range just doesn't excite me anymore and I don't see me returning to it in the near future...
IMO, the scale of the models shouldn't affect one's ability to have fun at an event, but I can see where you're coming from even if I don't share those particular sentiments.

I should point out that given the wide array of stuff on the tables at the Eramus Affair, there's also no point in ruling out models from other manufacturers, or indeed hybrid models with some GW and some non-GW parts. :P

With regard to a different warband -- I suppose this relies on me having correctly understood the "maybe", but the worst that can happen is that you try it and don't like it (but then, at least you can say "I've tried it"). At least if you give it a go with a different (or completely new) set of characters, you'll know whether it's an issue with 28mm in general, or whether it's just caused by Uncanny Valley Kaled.

We've got a while to go 'til spring, in any case, so there's plenty of time to give it some more thought. :)

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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2013, 12:22:18 PM »
Maybe I could build another warband at 28mm, but the prospect of making more Inq28 models* doesn't excite me - I have plenty of other projects queued up that I find far more interesting right now. I guess I still don't understand the reasons for wanting to do 28mm only, and if I'm honest I do resent the fact that it means I couldn't use the existing models that I have and like.

I guess I feel strongly enough about it that I'll propose a 54mm 'event' for anyone who doesn't want to play at 28mm and who otherwise wouldn't turn up - even if it was just 2-3 of us playing 54mm I'd still like the chance to get some games in and still have the chance to socialise with everyone over lunch and in the bar afterwards.



* To be fair, I'm not excited about making more Inq54 models at the moment either, but I do have 90+ to choose from already and I can always find a warband that I'm excited to use.
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2013, 12:32:17 PM »
I think a large part of my attraction to 54mm is the extra degree of effort I feel I have to make in order to have a model which fits the 40k universe with the right character and presence.

Though I am not opposed to 28mm per se I do, like Kaled, feel less of an emotional attachment to them perhaps mainly because even the best models out there are always in my mind 'taken' from a 40k army and inqisitorfied as opposed to being entirely custom for inquisitor. Only my own opinion and I do not wish to lessen 28mm for it players in any way I might add.

I like your suggestion of a 54mm event in tandem Dave and though not confident enough to run a full event as successfully and as well as yourself, Marco or Gav have done I wouldn't mind running one or two tables so that yourself and others can focus more on enjoying playing 54mm. Especially run in a player gm style with pre written scenarios etc.

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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2013, 12:40:21 PM »
Especially run in a player gm style with pre written scenarios etc.
I'm making the assumption that most people would play 28mm so it would just be a handful of of 54mm players, which would mean we could get together beforehand and come up with a set of story focused scenarios tailored to our warbands to advance their stories in an interesting way rather than playing generic scenarios that need to be able to cope with whatever warbands turn up on the day.
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2013, 12:42:54 PM »
Kaled, I greatly appreciate your honesty, but permit me the same for a brief moment -- the counter-event you propose is somewhat disheartening, as that forces the kind of split in the community that I would have preferred to avoid, and means the 54 vs 28 debate* ends up rearing its ugly head.

As a compromise, what about a single dual-scale event, instead of either proposal? That way, we'd both get to have fun and demonstrate that Inquisitor is Inquisitor is Inquisitor, irrespective of scale -- basically, something in the same vein as the Twin Arches, but revised and refined.


*For what it's worth... the 54 vs 28 debate is, in my opinion, pointless, as both are valid, and it's still Inquisitor at the end of the day.
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2013, 01:16:00 PM »
As I said I'm happy for people to mix 28mm and 54mm at the same event - people should be free to play whichever they prefer - and if you can get a dual-scale event to work then that'd be great.

I wasn't the only person to object when you brought up the idea of a 28mm only event (although I appreciate that we were a small minority) - I just want to make sure we get chance to play at 54mm.

Regardless of scale, it is all Inquisitor at the end of the day - but most people have chosen to invest their time and effort in one scale or the other, so unfortunately there is a split in the Inquisitor community when it comes to scale. It'd be nice if both sides could meet in the middle in a mutual appreciation of the game, but telling all the 54mm players they should give 28mm a try seems likely to deepen that split in much the same way that years of telling 28mm players they should give 54mm a try did.
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2013, 01:34:47 PM »
and if you can get a dual-scale event to work then that'd be great.
I've already got ideas bubbling away, and yes, they do involve Exodites -- and possibly the Elannor's Pride table at WHW, but A) it's early days B) it's far from essential...
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2013, 01:52:40 PM »
I have two Exodites at 54mm...
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2013, 03:41:43 PM »
Updated OP to reflect current dual scale intentions.

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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- 28mm Event
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2013, 04:11:07 PM »
To respond to the original thoughts about 28mm only, it's an idea I'm wary about.

Now, I'm on the side who have grown to strongly enjoy 28mm Inquisitor*. There have been some positive modelling experiences for me - Lynx Vanden is actually right up there as one of my favourites of all the models I've ever done.
And while I've not got many 28mm games planted in my all-time favourites, I don't put that down to the models I'm using - the 28mm community and events are relatively young, after all; I've played considerably fewer games at 28mm.

But despite my personal willingness, it clearly has the potential for animosity all over it, and I'm a little uncertain that it'd draw in Ammobunker - I have a feeling there are some people who think we're intruding when we go to their events.

*Really, the only thing I think I'd actually say against 28mm any more is visibility.
Although it's becoming strongly visible on the internet, to a passer by in the WHW event hall 28mm Inquisitor will mostly blend into the background of all the WH40K and WHFB games going on; whereas yesterday's 54mm games, at least when aided by giant vehicles, definitely did have more than a few people notice.

Not that I imagine the visibility of Inquisitor is all that important, there's little of the game left to try and promote, but it's still nice to achieve.
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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2013, 04:20:04 PM »
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I'm a little uncertain that it'd draw in Ammobunker
We can do a hell of a lot worse than try, though.

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Re: Brainstorming -- 2014 Spring Conclave -- Dual Scale Event?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2013, 06:13:26 PM »
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I'm a little uncertain that it'd draw in Ammobunker
We can do a hell of a lot worse than try, though.
I'm curious - has anyone on the Ammobunker expressed any interest in a joint event or in joining a 28mm Conclave event? I don't spend much time there anymore, but from what I remember there was never much in the way of interest whenever the suggestion was brought up...
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