Hi gang,
can any of you help me out, I need to find out how the Eversor Assassin compares to the arbites Judge. I'd be very grateful for any pictures or descriptions, anything really.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/theonlymisterme/inquisitor%20images/DSC_0031.jpg)
the bald judge head and a set of grenades for the eversor are missing from this photo
Awesome ;D thank you!
was anyone aware that a lot of the character-conversion packs come with the packs you buy from GW? For example, Damian Bloodhound conversion options comes with the Slick Devlan pack....I guess it pays off to read up on the gw home-page once in a while...
Quote from: Dullmohawk on February 12, 2011, 03:27:20 PMWas anyone aware that a lot of the character-conversion packs come with the packs you buy from GW?
They do normally - however there have been the odd occasion where people have not got the associated conversion pack or where they've got the conversion pack instead of the bits they replace. (As far as I understand, the Kroot is like this permanently. I think the original version was much hated and GW stopped bothering with the first version.)
Anyway, in short, there's a degree of pot luck to it, but it is
usually the case.
You get a bolas and some pouches with the assassin too iirc.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on February 12, 2011, 03:32:19 PM
Quote from: Dullmohawk on February 12, 2011, 03:27:20 PMWas anyone aware that a lot of the character-conversion packs come with the packs you buy from GW?
They do normally - however there have been the odd occasion where people have not got the associated conversion pack or where they've got the conversion pack instead of the bits they replace. (As far as I understand, the Kroot is like this permanently. I think the original version was much hated and GW stopped bothering with the first version.)
Anyway, in short, there's a degree of pot luck to it, but it is usually the case.
Whoa, I had no idea about this. Does that include the OoP booster packs (IE Artemis from GW would come with the Space Marine heads and Sgt. Black would come with the IG Lasguns and Respirator heads)? or just bits from other characters?
I'm pretty sure its just the character bitz as the marine heads are very hard to come by. That said I haven't bought any INQ direct fro mGW in about 5 years.
I have no idea. Someone should volunteer and buy some packs to find out 8)
nah, really, I would like to know.
If its OoP then they wont come i suspect. I KNOW the SM heads dont come with it. Search trading sites they sometimes throw one up. I managed to get a partially converted one from a helpful claver, a little GS work put it to rights. Of course if your that keen, theres bound to be someone out there who has a "Space Camando" helmet that they've cast themselves...
I think it says on the GW site which ones come with the parts to build alternative characters - for example if you look at the page for Barbaretta it says 'This boxed set contains one 54mm Enforcer model that can be assembled as either Barbaretta or Lucretia'.
It doesn't look like it says anything on the page for the Kroot about it coming with the alternative parts - from what I hear it sounds like some have the original parts, others with the booster pack parts, and others with both.
You don't get the helmets with Artemis, or the booster pack bits with Sgt Black, and you just can't get thinks like the chain weapons booster from anywhere except occasionally on eBay and the like. You might be able to get the odd booster pack weapon or OOP model on the Arcadian Smugglers Ring. I have a few such things, but I wouldn't sell them as I'd probably never be able to get them anywhere again if I wanted them in future, but I would be willing to trade them if someone had something I wanted. I think many people who have the long OOP parts feel the same way, and the number of such parts in circulation is dwindling as they get built into new models.
Well ain't that the truth. Posting on the extra parts in the first place wasn't intended to set off a discussion on anything, it was more to make people aware that some parts are still available with the models, as they pop up on ebay once in a while as OOP... and I really hate to see my fellow conclavers ripped off.
Speaking of SM helmets, I was lucky enough to win one a year ago, and has recently made my first foraging into modeling with magnets, as I know I'll never find another.
This whole business with GW discontinuing a lot of the Specialist Games kits is quite sad, since the games are (in my humble opinion at least) the soul of the company universes.
My friend is buying slick/bloodhound soon (as well as gruss/tezla, barbaretta/bravus) (i am buying arco-flagelent kis as well) so will post results when aplicable.
I'm pretty sure Gruss has never been combined with the Tesla parts (sadly), don't know the situation with Dameon/Simeon though.
The last time i bought the Dameon/Simeon kit it came with both parts, However they may have discontinued that since i bought mine well over 2 years ago.
just been on the gw site, it says for damien 1427 "This boxed set contains one 54mm Arco-flagellant that can be assembled as either Damien 1427 or Simeon 38X." and for slick "This boxed set contains one 54mm gunslinger that can be assembled as either Slick' Devlan or Damian Bloodhound." and for brbarreta "This boxed set contains one 54mm Enforcer model that can be assembled as either Barbaretta or Lucretia and one Cyber Mastiff. The set comes with two 40mm round bases."
slick came with the damien parts ;D
Quote from: Inquisitor Octavian Lars on March 20, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
slick came with the damien parts ;D
Awesome! If you ordered the other kits at the same time, may I ask the following :Did Barbaretta come the helmeted Lucretia head by chance? Also Did the Gruss kit come with the Tezla parts? I've heard mixed things on that one.
If you order new from GW then Barbareta has to come with Lucretia parts, if she doesn't, phone them, they are legally obliged to send you them as the product description states they are included.
Also Gruss has never had the Tezla parts packaged with him unfortunately - ebay is the only source of that fine axe these days.
Quote from: Heroka Vendile on March 30, 2011, 05:28:28 PM
Also Gruss has never had the Tezla parts packaged with him unfortunately - ebay is the only source of that fine axe these days.
Ah, that's a bummer, some cool bits in that kit. Thanks for the clarification though!
Is anyone on this site particularly skilled at resin/plastic casting and moulding? Perhaps we should pool all of our collective oop and hard to find bits and conversion pack parts and have them cast, that way we can reproduce those that are nigh-impossible to find, that way said dwindling of parts can be stopped, so that Inquisitor can live on.
An organised copying of GW intellectual property doesn't really sound like a sensible idea - it's likely to end with a letter from GW's legal team and is definitely not something we should be discussing on the 'Clave.
And anyway, I don't think the lack of those parts means Inquisitor is unlikely to live on - they cut them ages ago and we've survived. At the time some people suggested it would be the death of the game but it doesn't seem to have made much difference - people have adapted and we still see a slow but steady stream of newcomers.
Organise the 'Clave's more talented modellers to produce some new 54mm "Gothic Sci-fi" models/bitz packs if you want, but err on the side of legality here. I rambled over some very Istvaanian thoughts on the matter of GW's diminishing Inquisitor support recently, and I still stand by it.
I got more out of getting off my butt and finding ways to deal with GW reducing the range and support than anyone has ever got out of being nostalgic about Inquisitor's heyday.
I certainly didn't mean to suggest blatantly violating GWs IP policies, I know they're very protective of that stuff to the point of paranoia (seriously, anyone ever heard of the webcomic eatatau?) I would say less blatant copying and more...community restoration effort. Have everyone pool costs for casting reproductions of a certain number of certain hard to find bits, then distributing them to each member that put money into the project. It wouldn't be selling or soliciting...
...still though, I'd say the only way to ensure the longevity of the game would be to have members commit to buying inquisitor models of the GW site. If they saw a meteoric rise in the number of Inquisitor model sales, perhaps it would prove to them that the game isn't dead and is worth continuing support.
Quote from: Lucidum on April 13, 2011, 01:07:03 AM
I certainly didn't mean to suggest blatantly violating GWs IP policies
Whatever you call it, it would still be a violation of their IP - your idea still boils down to an organised copying of GW IP by members of this forum. Obviously I can't stop you doing whatever you want in your own time, but it's not something we should be discussing on the 'Clave - this forum is far more important to the continuation of Inquisitor than a few OOP bits.
Quote...still though, I'd say the only way to ensure the longevity of the game would be to have members commit to buying inquisitor models of the GW site.
Which I and many people tend to do whenever they need something, but even if every active member of the 'Clave committed to buying one model each month for the next few months it would hardly be a massive rise in sales. And it's not something that could be done anyway - I know that a lot of people here are on a limited budget and have to shop around for models so they can stay active in the hobby.
And I disagree with your statement anyway, the game will endure as long as people play it - we don't need GW for that and I'd say it's unlikely they'll revisit it anyway - why would they? Even if we did organise a sharp rise in sales, why would GW spend more money on the game? I firmly believe that the best thing we can do to ensure the longevity of the game is to keep playing and to keep supporting it ourselves. And if GW decide to support the game then so be it.
Alright, well no more discussing violations of GW IP, I didn't intend for that in the first place so I apologize.
And it's true that people are on a budget often, but with the highly rumored move from Metal to Resin for GW models, there's no guarantee at all that they won't just OOP every Inquisitor model in production. They've rapidly cleared entire ranges from production before and then waited many, many years to bring portions back as collectors range figures, who's to say they won't do this with Inquisitor?
Of course there's also the other option, that this retooling from metal to resin will mean they can take another look at all of the specialist ranges and revamp them since production costs will be (allegedly) cheaper in resin?
I definitely agree with you that the main way to ensure the longevity of the game is to keep playing it, that in and of itself is a given, and I fully support that. But it's no secret that there's only so many Inquisitor models in existence, a certain number of them able to be cast to order when from the GW site, but with each passing year the ebay sales and arcadian smugglers ring grows a little scarcer, and while many players can make due with converting larger GW main game models or buying from other makers of 54mm models, the pure, GW liscensed and produced =][= stock dwindles ever closer to exhaustion.
Now this thread is completely off topic by this discussion, perhaps the discussion should end here and be brought up on its own separate topic.
Maybe GW will cut the Specialist Games range when/if they move to resin. Maybe they'll bring back some old models. (I know which I'd put my sixpence on.) But speculating and worrying about such things is not really productive. I'd much rather see people spending their time writing articles for DM or sculpting bits packs or models to cast rather than whinging about GW. Maybe we should organise another modelling competition and perhaps see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it. Or run more competitions to sculpt parts for a bits pack like Gav did for gasmasks. If you have ideas in this regard by all means throw them open to the forum and let's discuss them.
Quote from: Kaled on April 13, 2011, 11:06:33 AM
see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it
Forgive me for carrying on the thread, but is this the kind of thing GW would do?
Quote from: Lucidum on April 13, 2011, 09:56:15 AM...the pure, GW licensed and produced =][= stock dwindles ever closer to exhaustion.
Purity is for the weak - GW licensing means little and GW produced doesn't mean what they think it means. Contrary to their opinion of themselves, they do not produce the best model soldiers in the world - they don't lead the field in detail or quality.
As I said, it's time to move on - nostalgia won't solve our problems.
Quote from: dirkthe1 on April 13, 2011, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: Kaled on April 13, 2011, 11:06:33 AM
see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it
Forgive me for carrying on the thread, but is this the kind of thing GW would do?
They have done it before, whether they would do it again is another matter.
GW sponsored the Conclave Hobby Competition the first time around when PrecinctOmega ran it by donating a prize, an unreleased model. We had another sponsor that year, but I forget who. The second time around I ran it and that was sponsored by Eolith Miniatures, Pegaso Models and JMD Miniatures who all donated models.
That would be pretty cool.
It probably is time to move this discussion to a new thread...