The Conclave

Evening all,

The 2012 Inquisitor Grand Tournament will take place at Warhammer World on Saturday 31st March.

The briefing pack is now available from the MarcoSkoll's archive and the Dark Magenta website;
IGT 2012 Briefing Pack @ The Skoll Archive (http://www.mediafire.com/?ww9rsbnxg4d4lmj)
IGT 2012 Briefing Pack @ Dark Magenta (http://www.darkmagenta.co.uk/IGT12_briefing_pack.pdf)

Tickets are £10 in advance until 17th March, or £12 on the door.

Participants will be able to pre-order food from the bar in Bugman's in the morning before the event starts and it will be ready to eat at 12.00, so no waiting around.  You can download the current Bugmans menu here (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1830842a_Games_Workshop_Bugmans_Menu.pdf).

- Dave


List of confirmed / possible attendees;
Holiad
Greenstuff Gav
Marco Skoll
Myriad
Cortez
Stormgrad
Krenshar
seiterarch
Adlan
Mordenkenain
+1
Sumaki
Karandras_sh

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Being as some of you didn't seem to have enough time to prepare for the IGT I thought I'd better let you know that the IGT 2012 will take place on March 31st. Hopefully that'll give you all time to write a scenario and finish building your warband! ;)

More details to follow... In about nine months time.

- Dave

Should be there, and this time, I will start my projects with more time to spare!

Exactly a years advance notice? Impressive.

And even booking a year in advance it was the only available date in March next year that I could book through the Events team. I think every other weekend is a free play one where you can't book an 'event' but we could still book tables on those weekends through the WHW team but I think you can only book those a few months in advance.

Well Kaled you best start the list of attendees and put my name on top

me too!

cheers
matt

Likewise I'll be in attendance

And my (power) axe!

J][M

Right, as this is likely to be our next event (unless someone organises something in January or thereabouts), it seems like it's time to kick this thread up again. Perhaps also pin it, if the Admins feel so inclined.

Some of us, myself most definitely included, have a habit of leaving things too late, so a five month warning does not seem entirely over the top...

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on November 01, 2011, 07:43:12 PM
Perhaps also pin it, if the Admins feel so inclined.

done!

now to decide who'd be appropriate to take or start a new sculpt now  ;D

I already know who I'm taking. I promised Katlien Vance and her warband an IGT, and an IGT they shall get.

I might even lavish enough time on my models this time I don't totally bomb out on the P&M round.

One thing I'll warn you all of now - I plan for people to wear name badges with their real name and alias or Conclave user name. I met quite a few people on Saturday who I don't know who they are on here.

So, you have a choice - either make your own name badge for the IGT, or you get a 'Hello, my name is...' sticker instead.

Yes! Name badges! I feel pretty awful the number of times I've met people and still don't know their names, all I know is that they're highly likely to be called Dave :(

Or, if you don't want to wear a name badge, I'll accept people making a sign they can stand on the table so everyone knows who they are.

Now that I think about it, any badge/sign will need to display three pieces of information;
- Name (this can be just your first name)
- Alias - usually your Conclave user name
- Player number (assigned at registration on the day of the IGT)

I forgot to pin my 'GAV' name badge to my hat :-(

bonus points if you turn up wearing an Inquisitors rosette.

is that just because you made one?

haha, no I have not.

I have, but can't make it! ;D >:(

Since I've recently been asked a couple of questions about how the tournament works, I thought I'd post this on here as I'd dug it out in answer to one question, in the hope that the information is useful to others as well;

Quote from: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5241304&postcount=6

Quote from: Chem-Dog;5241196Not wanting to sound stupid but how do you do a tournament for something as alien to the concept of a win/loose game as the Inquisitor rule set, where (to me at least) it's better if your character fails his objective (looses) if you've kept him/her/it in character than if you were to break character simply in order to achieve your goal (win)?

Glad you asked the question, as if you were wondering then I'm sure other people are too.  If you look at the scoring system you'll see that only a small proportion of your points come from achieving objective.  There are far more points on offer for having cool characters and playing in character, for playing imaginatively, for helping to make each game into a fun and exciting story, and for playing with imagination and flair.

I've won the tournament twice (which is part of the reason I volunteered to run it this year), and I can only think of one or two games where I achieved my objectives.  Just bringing a warband equipped with the best weapons and armour is likely to help you achieve your objectives as you mow down the opposition, but won't win you many points in the other areas (and anyway quite a few entrants bring scenarios where military muscle is of only limited use).

To give you an example from my experience in the event a couple of years ago; one excellent scenario I played in was set in a vault guarded by sound-activated sentry guns - characters wearing heavy armour, such as my Inquisitorial Stormtrooper, had to move quite slowly to avoid making noise whereas my unarmoured Sister Hospitaller could advance quite quickly.  The two sides sneaked towards the objective not daring to shoot at one another for fear of setting off the sentry guns.  I asked the GM if there were any fist-sized rocks in a pile of rubble my characters were passing, my opponent looked confused until my warband started throwing rocks at his characters - the noise of the impacts setting of the sentry guns resulting in at least one of his characters being wounded and the rest being forced to dive for cover (later I remembered one of my characters had a couple of grenades, which made even more noise!).  At the climax of all this sneaking around, my characters had their objective and were fleeing towards the exit, closely pursued by their rivals - my Stormtrooper stayed behind so the Inquisitor & Sororita could get away, and ended up in a chainsword duel with every sentry gun in the place blasting away at him and his opponent!

I gave the GM a good score for the scenario - it was fun, it required thought, and was very tense.  I believe he gave me a good score too - partly for achieving my objective, but I think mostly for how I went about doing it.  I could have just sneaked all the way to the objective avoiding the opposing warband or just blasted away and ignored the sentry guns, but instead I used them to my advantage.  I would guess my opponent got a decent score as well - he didn't achieve his objective or come up with the rock throwing idea, but he was a great opponent and him and his warband were good fun to play against.

All in all, me, the GM and the opposing player enjoyed the game - it told the story of an exciting little encounter and was fun for all concerned.  That's the sort of experience that, in my opinion, will win you points - something fun and exciting plus a bit of thought and imagination.

The tournament briefing pack will come out sometime in January, but will be pretty similar to the one from last year with some minor tweaks to the scoring of the P&M round (and a requirement that everyone has a name badge or suchlike). For anyone who hasn't seen it, the old pack is still up on the Dark Magenta site.

If anyone has any more questions, feel free to post them here or send me a PM.

- Dave

Afternoon all,

Just a quick update and a proposal.

I've started updating the briefing pack and it should be ready for release in a week or so. Advance tickets will go on sale around that time as well.

I've also been asked about Inq28 at the IGT. While I plan to keep the main tournament as 54mm, I am considering running a side event for Inq28. This would probably take the form of a campaign that can pretty much run itself so as not to use up too much of my time, but may also include a P&M round and some simple scoring for GMing & playing. This all depends on how much support there would be from the Inq28 gamers, but could be a good opportunity for everyone to meet. So, if you'd be interested, please let me know. Similarly, if you have any suggestions then I'd be happy to hear them. Finally, if we do this then I'd like to share responsibility for the Inq28 side of things, so if you'd like to volunteer then please drop me a line.

- Dave

Kaled - INQ28 at the IGT is a grand idea. However, it really does depend how much interest you get. If only two people turn up, it wouldn't be that fruitful for you. I'd love to help, however March 31st is my birthday, and SWMBO's patience stretches only so far...

Depending on work  I might be interested in the Inq28 side of things.   Not looked at my diary for a few days so no idea yet whether I'm already booked up.   I don't have enough experience with the game yet to look at helping running things.

Quote from: Molotov on January 02, 2012, 03:52:54 PMI'd love to help, however March 31st is my birthday, and SWMBO's patience stretches only so far.

Call it a gaming birthday party. :P

As to the idea of 28mm gaming at the GT, I like the idea, as anything that helps unify Inquisitor as a game is a good thing. We are, ultimately, all playing the same game, if with different models, so it would be good to get a chance to all meet each other in person.

Maybe, even though it's not exactly practical to be running the GT at both scales, it could even serve as a precursor to a unified dual scale event. I've got some ideas for how to pull that off - they'll need polishing, but based on the plans for other events, I think the earliest date would be about Summer 2013, so there's time to think.

For a dual scale event, people could bring whatever scale models they want and play to collect 'resources' then the finale could be played across multiple tables again, with some tables at different scales to others. It'd be annoying if the top players, who would normally be opposing each other on the main table of the finale, had to be split due to playing at different scales but it's not a massive issue. And players could bring 54mm and 28mm versions of their primary PC and still use him in every game even if they play some games at 28mm and the rest at 54mm. But perhaps we should move this to another thread to start discussing ideas for other events in 2012?

I'll leave the idea of a 28mm side event at the IGT open for a week or two before making a decision. If you're interested then please post as it'll need at least half a dozen players to go ahead.

Well I've flagged it on Ammobunker which seems to be one of the main areas for INQ28.

So far I haven't had enough responses to make it worthwhile holding an Inq28 event, but I'll give it another week to see if more potential attendees - so if you're interested please let me know...

i can bring 28mm, but i likes 54mm :P

also, is therea pack to go up? maybe worth advertising on the usual forums.. Warseer, TGN, TTFix?

As and when there is a pack, I'm happy to put it up on the Archive to try and save Dark Magenta from a pounding (although I suspect that without Warseer's front page, it's less likely to happen this year).

There'll be a pack very soon. The main thing that still needs doing is the poster, but I'll try to get that done this week and then we can start advertising it across the forums.

But that'll be after the Inq 28 decision?

Next year you may want to think about Inq 28 a bit more prior to help build the interest.

Quote from: Keravin on January 11, 2012, 07:00:19 PM
But that'll be after the Inq 28 decision?

The pack for the IGT should go up this weekend.  If I get enough support for an Inq28 event on the same day then the pack for that will probably go up the weekend after.

QuoteNext year you may want to think about Inq 28 a bit more prior to help build the interest.

I had hoped that three months notice would be more than enough - especially as there are so many people who already have 28mm warbands.  However if you have any suggestions about what should be done differently to entice more Inq28 players for a future event (perhaps one run across both scales) then I (and anyone who is planning such an event) would be happy to hear them.

I'm going to try and phrase it politely (and apologies if it comes across as harsh).

1) Actually advertising it.   So far it's posted here in amongst a topic rather than raised to any attention separately and I've flagged it at Ammobunker.   That's why I asked the question about the poster etc.   Where is that likely to go up and be followed up?   

2) This place still treats Inq 28 to an extent as the embarrassing stepchild.  Now I know there are moves to try and bridge that, but I think what the Inq 28 community is very much trying to do is show that it isn't just plunk down a 40k model and play that.   Probably take a long time and it's moved way more recently than it has for a long long time.

3) The running across both scales or turn up with Inq 54 and the same band in Inq 28.  Again I understand the reasons behind, but going back to point 2 it could be read as well really Inq 54 is the game you should be playing.   That's not the thought behind it, but bearing in mind where Inq 28 was until very recently (and indeed some topics about the subject within the last 6 months for example) and you can see why it might not be instantly welcoming.

We'll probably be in a much stronger position post the Inqvitiational anyway as that's likely to get interest once we start posting pictures and showing off from that.    Much like the Conclave's activities fuel interest, especially showing off games in progress, the work of the community etc. I figure the Inqvitiational should do that for Inq28.   Plus those players who aren't already part of the Conclave community will have met each other which will help build community there.

Quote from: Keravin on January 11, 2012, 07:45:19 PM
1) Actually advertising it.   So far it's posted here in amongst a topic rather than raised to any attention separately and I've flagged it at Ammobunker.   That's why I asked the question about the poster etc.   Where is that likely to go up and be followed up?

The reason a 28mm event hasn't been advertised is that so far there isn't one.  At this point I'm just looking to see what interest there is for a 28mm event on the same day as the IGT.  If there is interest then I'll put together a campaign pack, poster etc and advertise it properly to round up more players.  I'm happy to take suggestions as to whether people want it to be a tournament along the same lines as the IGT or a campaign like the Autumn Conclave.

Quote2) This place still treats Inq 28 to an extent as the embarrassing stepchild.  Now I know there are moves to try and bridge that, but I think what the Inq 28 community is very much trying to do is show that it isn't just plunk down a 40k model and play that.   Probably take a long time and it's moved way more recently than it has for a long long time.

I think that probably has been true in the past.  I'm not sure it is the case now, but you and other people feel that it is.  I wonder if it's part of Inquisitor being such an 'open' game - you can play it at different scales, as a skirmish game, as a narrative game or even as an RPG.  There have been advocates of all of these approaches on the Conclave, and there are some discussions that have been going on recently where people seem to play the game in a way that is totally different to how I'd play it.  It's a shame that the discussions on the difference in scale has made some people feel alienated - hopefully that will change as, in my opinion, the Inquisitor community is too small to be so divided.

Quote3) The running across both scales or turn up with Inq 54 and the same band in Inq 28.  Again I understand the reasons behind, but going back to point 2 it could be read as well really Inq 54 is the game you should be playing.   That's not the thought behind it, but bearing in mind where Inq 28 was until very recently (and indeed some topics about the subject within the last 6 months for example) and you can see why it might not be instantly welcoming.

So you feel that by suggesting bringing a 28mm warband, or a 54mm warband and the same warband in 28mm I am suggesting that playing at 54mm is what you should be doing.  Do you have a suggestion about how to bring both sides of the community together?  Would it be better to run two campaigns in parallel on the same day rather than one combined campaign and then let people mix during breaks and lunch?  I'd love to see the Inquisitor community come together and expand, I'm just not sure as to the best way to do it.

I appreciate on the feeling out for interest, but as I'm trying to get across so far as far as I can tell the only two places it's mentioned are here and the AB topic.    So I'm not certain who is actually aware it might be a possibility.   I wouldn't have known for example without reading this topic.

I do think the moves in the last 6 months even, particularly with what Molotov's been doing, mean that things are changing.

Potentially I think playing two parallel sides of the same campaign is the way to go.    But having not actually been to an event yet I may well be talking out of my rear. 

If there isn't the interest this time I do think trying from day 1 next time means more chance of people being aware and getting that buy in.   Plus next time it also becomes something that can build on from events that have already happened as well.

Quote from: Keravin on January 11, 2012, 08:31:20 PM
I appreciate on the feeling out for interest, but as I'm trying to get across so far as far as I can tell the only two places it's mentioned are here and the AB topic.    So I'm not certain who is actually aware it might be a possibility.   I wouldn't have known for example without reading this topic.

You might be right.  I had thought that here and Ammobunker were the two main places where Inquisitor was discussed - you've already posted about it over there and I can start a separate thread here to solicit interest.  If there is anywhere else that anyone knows of where it would be worth asking then please post a thread on there (or tell me and I will).

QuotePotentially I think playing two parallel sides of the same campaign is the way to go.    But having not actually been to an event yet I may well be talking out of my rear.

My worry about separating the 28mm and 54mm players is that there wouldn't be much mixing of the two groups.  To me it seemed better to suggest that players bring warbands in one or both scales (not necessarily the same characters, but it'd help the campaign if at least their principle PC was the same person) so there would be as much mixing as possible so everyone could get to know each other.

QuoteIf there isn't the interest this time I do think trying from day 1 next time means more chance of people being aware and getting that buy in.   Plus next time it also becomes something that can build on from events that have already happened as well.

So far the pack hasn't been put up for the IGT and the only reason the 54mm players have had any more notice is that the IGT is an existing regular event, so I had thought I was asking about a 28mm event from (pretty much) day one...  I'm sorry if I've made you feel I was doing any different.

I've just put the finishing touches to the IGT pack.  As soon as the poster is done (likely to be Saturday) I'll get it uploaded on here and elsewhere.

There are a couple of changes from last year, mostly based on feedback I received last time.  Firstly, so everyone knows who everyone else is, players will need to bring a name badge or else they will be issued with a 'Hello.  My name is...' badge*.  Secondly, lunch will be after Game 1 rather than after Game 2 as in previous years.  We will be able to pre-order our food in the morning and it should be ready for us at midday - this should alleviate the problems around the delays to getting food in Bugmans.  Finally, scoring will be out of 90 with 40 points for playing, 40 for GMing and 10 for painting & modelling.  Last year the WHW staff who judged the P&M point said it was very difficult to score all the models, so this year everyone who enters a model into the P&M round will get 1 point, and top five models will get 10, 8, 6, 4 & 2 points respectively.

Hopefully these changes will make the event run more smoothly and make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

- Dave


* That they should write their name, alias and player number on and not '...Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die.'

Quote from: Kaled on January 11, 2012, 10:35:51 PMthis year everyone who enters a model into the P&M round will get 1 point, and top five models will get 10, 8, 6, 4 & 2 points respectively.

Hmm. This might be a bit tough on anyone who's tried hard but who just hasn't got the skill to break through into the top third. (I'm investing more effort this year, but I doubt that even at my best I'd place.*)
I know we said the scoring was too weighted towards the best painters last year, but was there really a 9 point difference between the 1st and 6th places?

*While I'm a reasonable modeller, but I suspect there's a strong bias towards painting, given that the WHW staff don't know Josef's arse from Covenant's elbow - which means my scratch-sculpts probably aren't worth that much in the scheme of things.

QuoteThat they should write their name, alias and player number on and not '...Inigo Montoya.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die.'

If you WILL phrase it like that, someone is going to do it.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on January 12, 2012, 03:25:05 AM
Hmm. This might be a bit tough on anyone who's tried hard but who just hasn't got the skill to break through into the top third. (I'm investing more effort this year, but I doubt that even at my best I'd place.*)
I know we said the scoring was too weighted towards the best painters last year, but was there really a 9 point difference between the 1st and 6th places?

I don't have the figures in front of me right now, but there was a wide spread of scores for P&M. I did run the scores from last year through the new scoring system to see what difference it would have made and it did switch a few of the placings around (although not the top ones who won because they scored well across all categories). By having less points on offer for P&M, players who had good scores for Playing and GMing moved up the chart a little and ones who scored well for P&M but less well for gaming moved down a little. To me, the rankings based on the new scoring system seemed more 'right', but if it doesn't work it can always be changed again.  However, if there is a concern, I will take a second look...

I don't imagine it's going to make a massive difference to placing, but it does have the problem that it's only rewarding the best painters. And having to decide which way around two very good models will place isn't, particularly if more than one judge is involved, exactly going to be easy either.

That said, I think the method from 2009 might not reward the better painters enough (given there were only 5 points between the very top and bottom painting scores that year).

Hmm. The best I can suggest might be getting three staff (or two staff and yourself) to score out of five, which would make it easier to score (it's easier to decide whether something if you think something's 3 or 4 out of 5 than if it's 6 or 7 out of 10), but still allow a decent range of scores and recognise the effort the less brilliant painters have put in.

Mind you, feel free to ignore me. We all know the scoring isn't the main point of the day.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on January 12, 2012, 03:25:05 AM
which means my scratch-sculpts probably aren't worth that much in the scheme of things

me too; a new (older)  version of Annika will be in attendance  ;D

Given that in every other round participants judge each other, would you prefer the same to be true in the P&M round too? That could be a workable option...

Participant judged, whether partially or wholly, actually sounds like a fairly solid idea.

It would definitely give a bit more weight to the modelling side of things, given their greater familiarity with the 54mm range(s).

maybe people place their entry onto the GM table, the GM assigns a number to each, then during that break people can take a look at 'em and are given a scorecard with entry numbers on... they then judge each (except their own) on a scale of 1 > 10 ?

Okay, that's two votes for that idea - I plan to finalise the pack this evening, so will make the decision then. In the meantime, if anyone else has any comments or suggestions, let me know.

The player judging has been done before and it seemed to even out scores somewhat but there also needs to be an impartiality to the judging too.

Maybe have a two score system of players judging and awarding scores from 1 to 10 and then a staff member scoring 1 to 10 and the scores being combined for the over all results.

I think a combination of peer judging and staff judging would probably work best.  Players understand the complexity of conversions much better than the 54mm-shy staffers, and will thusly boost the scores of the perhaps not so well painted models that the staff like.  I think the playing field for the Painting and Modelling category will be levelled with the scores combined.  Also means the final tally will be out of a nice 100 rather than 90!

I'm just going to say just now that there is a possibility I may not be in attendance - I am likely going to be having shoulder surgery in the next two months, and the timing of it may mean a trip to Nottingham is going to be a very secondary consideration.  I hope the dates don't clash though, as I've started the warband building process with earnest!

Ruaridh

Look what I found in my inbox:

IGT 2012 Briefing Pack (http://www.mediafire.com/?ww9rsbnxg4d4lmj)

Thanks.  I'm just about to upload the poster to Photobucket and will edit the first post in this thread accordingly.  The pack should also go up on the DM site soon - hopefully that should spread the load a little.

Evening all,

The 2012 Inquisitor Grand Tournament will take place at Warhammer World on Saturday 31st March.

The briefing pack is now available from the MarcoSkoll's archive and the Dark Magenta website;
IGT 2012 Briefing Pack @ The Skoll Archive (http://www.mediafire.com/?ww9rsbnxg4d4lmj)
IGT 2012 Briefing Pack @ Dark Magenta (http://www.darkmagenta.co.uk/IGT12_briefing_pack.pdf) (to be uploaded shortly)

Tickets are £10 in advance until 17th March, or £12 on the door.

Participants will be able to pre-order food from the bar in Bugman's in the morning before the event starts and it will be ready to eat at 12.00, so no waiting around.  You can download the current Bugmans menu here (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1830842a_Games_Workshop_Bugmans_Menu.pdf).

- Dave

I should say that if anyone spots any mistakes or suchlike in the campaign pack, please let me know.

Also, please feel free to repost this anywhere you know of that has a significant Inquisitor community*.  If you do, please post a link in this thread so I can check in and answer any questions that anyone might have.

- Dave


* Some forums prefer that you check with a mod first before posting this sort of thing.

There shouldn't be a problem with Mediafire load, as there's not any limit on download activity. Download inactivity, yes, but that's not happened so far, and I'm supposed to get email reminders about it first.

Talking about mistakes, I should note that the poster appears to say "purest of wares". Maybe appropriate for Rogue Traders (if not necessarily true), but I expect Inquisitors are more interested in wars.

Anyway, I'll have my name in for a ticket shortly.

D'oh!  I'll upload a corrected version in a moment...

just as i've updated Dark Magenta :lol:
at the parents place atm so haven't posted to Tabletop Gaming News or Tabletop Gaming Fix yet...

I've posted threads on Warseer in the Tournaments and Inquisitor sections;
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329998
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330001

Gah, I'm in London that weekend.  >:(

Posted my application form this morning, now I just have to get down to painting my nice new models, and putting another arm on that NPC...

I got the first ticket application today, that'll have been yours Holiad. I plan to do the same as last year and send tickets out in batches so will wait for a few more applications before I start sending them. Again the same as last year, they will be e-tickets to save on costs and ensure the prize fund is as high as possible.

I doubt tickets will sell out, but I'd appreciate people buying tickets (or at least expressing their interest in buying one) as soon as possible so I have an idea of what sort of numbers I'll need to cater for. I'll also start a list of possible/confirmed attendees on the front page of this thread.

Going back to the subject of prizes, almost all the ticket money gets given out as prizes (other than a small amount which pays for the paper and ink need to print out all the tournament material). This meant that last year there was well over £100 up for grabs as attendance was pretty good. How the prize money is broken down will depend on how much money there is in the pot, but I think last year there were prizes for the top three overall and the winners of the playing, GMing and P&M rounds. If anyone wants to donate prizes, then that's fine too. We've had some good stuff given to us in the past including a framed picture of some Inquisitor artwork that was donated by the WHW staff - it has hung on my wall for a couple of years and it's now time to give it a new home so that will be going to this year's winner.

I think that's it for IGT news for now. I'd encourage everyone to try and round up as many players as possible - the more people who come, the better the event will be. And if anyone is a member of a forum where Inquisitor gets discussed then please think about advertising the event there - either post something or consider adding it to your forum signature.

Oh, there was one last thing - I asked this last year (and I think PO asked when he organised the tournament) but it's quite a challenge. Rather than type it out again, I'll refer you all to this post;
http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1133.msg15101#msg15101

Answers on a postcard please...

i'm crap at math.. and history... and readin' (as demonstrated by my Inquisition entries!) so can't help there :P

it's Payday tomorrow so i'll be Paypal-ing this time tomorrow :D

also have 1 resin cast of My Marine Serf (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/files/serf_04.jpg) to donate one of only 4 in existence, including the sculpt!

Quote from: Kaled on January 24, 2012, 06:55:53 PMAnswers on a postcard please...

Turns out it's not as hard as I was treating it as last year. I've not finalised the solutions for numbers of tables other than four, but if you put this sheet out:

Game 1: 1,2,4,13 - 3,6,12,16 - 5,7,8,14 - 9,10,11,15
Game 2: 1,3,11,14 - 2,5,12,15 - 4,7,10,16 - 6,8,9,13
Game 3: 1,5,9,16 - 2,6,10,14 - 7,11,12,13 - 3,4,8,15
Game 4: 1,6,7,15 - 2,8,11,16 - 3,5,10,13 - 4,9,12,14

Then no two players would meet twice, and if there you don't have a player 13, 14, 15 or 16, their missing spaces would never meet each other.

Such a solution can be found for more tables too, although obviously there has to be compromise on people meeting more than once when you go to fewer tables.

Two small downsides:
- Players 13-16 will know they'll never meet, but that could be put to use if they regularly game together anyway.
- It won't recalculate on the fly if you lose a player. However, give anyone that may have to leave one of the 13-16 numbers, and you're pretty much okay. Adding in players should be pretty much fine however, even if you have to add tables and go to a different sheet. I'm pretty sure the sheets can be made work together like that.

EDIT: And I've just realised I need to check the GMing solution for this one...
2ND EDIT: "Lowest number who hasn't already GMed" works fine - randomise in the event that it would be 13-16 but they're missing. As an upside, it puts players 13-16 last in the GMing order, giving latecomers a chance to GM.

Marco - Good work. Did you just sit and work that out by hand, or is there a method that can be coded for different numbers of players/tables? I'll be bringing a computer this year which will help with adding up the scores, but also could be used to calculate this.

Gav - that's a great prize, many thanks.

Finally, in case people missed it in the block of text I posted yesterday - please post here if you plan to attend so I have some idea of numbers - thanks.

EDIT: I've started a list of names in the first post, there were some more people who'd expressed an interest but it was a while ago so I wasn't sure whether they still plan to attend...

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on January 25, 2012, 12:51:59 AM
Turns out it's not as hard as I was treating it as last year. I've not finalised the solutions for numbers of tables other than four, but if you put this sheet out:

Game 1: 1,2,4,13 - 3,6,12,16 - 5,7,8,14 - 9,10,11,15
Game 2: 1,3,11,14 - 2,5,12,15 - 4,7,10,16 - 6,8,9,13
Game 3: 1,5,9,16 - 2,6,10,14 - 7,11,12,13 - 3,4,8,15
Game 4: 1,6,7,15 - 2,8,11,16 - 3,5,10,13 - 4,9,12,14

Then no two players would meet twice, and if there you don't have a player 13, 14, 15 or 16, their missing spaces would never meet each other.

Such a solution can be found for more tables too, although obviously there has to be compromise on people meeting more than once when you go to fewer tables.
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2ND EDIT: "Lowest number who hasn't already GMed" works fine - randomise in the event that it would be 13-16 but they're missing. As an upside, it puts players 13-16 last in the GMing order, giving latecomers a chance to GM.

Small issue that i've highlighted David, following the lowest number who hasn't GMed GMs rule. In the first highlighted set all 4 have already GMed, in the second highlighted set 12 and 14 haven't GMed. So swapping 12 or 14 for any number in the first highlighted set will fix the GM issue in Game 4, no really a massive deal if only 4 people meet twice - at least one of which will probably be GMing this time anyway.

The GMs for your proposal would be:
Game 1: 1 - 3 - 5 - 9
Game 2: 11 - 2 - 4 - 6
Game 3: 16 - 10 - 7 - 8
Game 4: 15 - 16(X) - 13 - 12/14

EDIT:
looking again an easier fix is that in Game 2 player 14 GMs instead of 11, then in Game 4 player 11 GMs instead of 16. saves number swapping and keeps the not meeting people twice in place.

Quote from: Kaled on January 25, 2012, 06:58:06 AMMarco - Good work. Did you just sit and work that out by hand, or is there a method that can be coded for different numbers of players/tables?

A bit of both. I manually worked through a possible algorithm with the support of an Excel spreadsheet.

Then, for convenience, I reassigned the numbers so that it was players 13-16 that never met (rather than, originally: 3,6,12 & 13) and swapped over the play order to put their GMing sessions in the second half of the day.

It should be possible to code, but I think it would actually take more time teaching a computer to do it than work through the solutions manually, so I'm inclined towards the "precalculated" answers.

Quote from: Heroka Vendile on January 25, 2012, 02:37:30 PMSmall issue that I've highlighted David, following the lowest number who hasn't GMed GMs rule.

Well spotted. It was late night when I was working on that, and made a slight mistake. (I did find a solution - what it wasn't, however, was "lowest GMs first")

However, this works:

Game 1: 1,2,4,13 - 3,6,12,16 - 5,7,8,14 - 9,10,11,15
Game 2: 1,3,11,14 - 2,5,12,15 - 4,7,10,16 - 6,8,9,13
Game 3: 1,5,9,16 - 2,6,10,14 - 7,11,12,13 - 3,4,8,15
Game 4: 1,6,7,15 - 2,8,11,16 - 3,5,10,13 - 4,9,12,14

While essentially the same as your second solution, I want to leave numbers #13-16 until after game 3 so that any latecomers can be accounted for. #12 GMs game 2, #2 waits until game 4.

of course this assumes we won't have more than 16 players  ;)

Yes, but I'm still working on the solutions for other numbers of tables at the moment.

More tables makes it easier. At three tables or less, I think you're best off trying to ensure everyone meets once, and that GMs are assigned to stop people playing together more than once.

Still working on the other answers, but swapping over the numbers (so, strictly, the table assignments are identical, I've just changed which players are getting each), I found a particularly elegant 4 table solution which would have players GM in strict player number order:

Game 1: 1,5,9,13 - 2,6,10,14 - 3,7,11,15 - 4,8,12,16
Game 2: 1,7,10,16 - 2,8,9,15 - 3,5,12,14 - 4,6,11,13
Game 3: 1,8,11,14 - 2,7,12,13 - 3,6,9,16 - 4,5,10,15
Game 4: 1,6,12,15 - 2,5,11,16 - 3,8,10,13 - 4,7,9,14

This is important, however, because the renumbering made me realise that I really should have seen before.
Even after four games (and provided you've got 12, 15 or 16 players) there is still one final combination left where nobody would meet twice:

Game 5: 1,2,3,4 - 5,6,7,8 - 9,10,11,12 - 13,14,15,16

I'm almost tempted to do the algorithm proper now, given this shows how much a perfect solution (and it is a perfect solution, as by then everyone would have met exactly once) can show up a pen-and-paper one. People are normally meeting each other again by round three!

Greetings Children of Change!

I shall endeavour to be there again this year, and hopefully go one step further and win! With more than the 2 weeks notice i had last year i shan't have to rely on a MASSIVE spider* to give my game a tasty hook.
I'll try and pay in the next week or so. It does sadly call for a new warband...what a shame...

*Thats not to say he wont appear...

Excellent - great to see someone who's really going for the win. :)

I'll add you to the list.

i paid :D
let us know if the address details aren't there :)

i dunno 'bout winning, actually actively partaking in any game (rather'n my normal "1 action a turn") / score above average points in P&M is on my agenda :D

I've sent money too.

Now all I need to do is start a completely different warband. Bringing the one I've been working on since last year would be exactly what they'd expect me to do.

Evening all,

Just a gentle reminder that the IGT is in two months time. I've only sold a handful of tickets so far, so there are plenty still available and should be some available to buy on the day.  Just to reiterate though, if you are planning to come along then please let me know so I have some idea of numbers (and I'll add you to the list on the front page).

I plan to bring a laptop this time, which should make the admnistration a lot easier and should free up some of my time, so I may even play a game or two if the players & GMs are happy for me to join in...

- Dave

Evening all,

Seeing as the thread has gone quiet I thought I'd bump it to remind everyone that they only have about a month to buy an advance ticket for the IGT. So far ticket sales have been a lot slower than last year - if anyone has any ideas as to why that might be or, more importantly, what can be done to get more attendees then I'd be glad to hear them.

I hate to say it, but unless ticket sales pick up in the next month or some people tell me they plan to buy their ticket on the door, then we won't have enough people to make it a viable event.  :(  It's a real shame, seeing as last year we had a really good turnout and all the feedback I got indicated that everyone really enjoyed themselves.

- Dave

How odd. We did pretty well for turnout during 2011.

Well, we do know that we've had some rather widespread connection problems to the 'Clave, so that may be partially responsible.
Rauridh also has his shoulder problem that may have a surgery clash with the GT, so I don't know whether he'll be buying in yet...

Is it possible to do a Conclave mailshot and bounce a reminder into everybody's inboxes?
Okay, it's not ideal for the non-UK members, but it might wake up a few of our dormant members.

i don't mind doing it but i'd prefer the blessing of the Higher-Ups.. are you there Saussure?

if there isn't enough for the GT, would a Gaming Meet Up be viable? well looking forward to playing Inquisitor...

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on February 15, 2012, 06:14:01 PM

Rauridh also has his shoulder problem that may have a surgery clash with the GT, so I don't know whether he'll be buying in yet...

I have bought and paid for mine regardless - I'm happy for £10 to be added to the prize fund even if I can't make it. Hopefully will have a date set in the next two weeks now that the MRI has been done and I'll be able to confirm my attendance.

Ruaridh

I've emailed Saussure to ask if I can send out a message to everyone. Hopefully it'll net us a few more players...

I hope so. A lot of the time I figure people are missing because they simply forget or don't know, not because they don't want to be or can't be.

Quote from: Van Helser on February 15, 2012, 08:03:31 PMI have bought and paid for mine regardless

Fair do's. I knew you'd said something during Skype, but I couldn't remember what...

As for others, I don't know whether Stormgrad has confirmed his attendance yet, but I can say pretty confidently he will be there - he's already bought his train tickets!

Quote from: greenstuff_gav on February 15, 2012, 06:35:37 PMIf there isn't enough for the GT, would a Gaming Meet Up be viable?

Yes please.

I do have a vague idea for a plan B.  I'm hoping it won't come to that, but if it does I can throw something together that should make for a fun day's gaming.

Well, you can add me to the list of people definitely planning to attend, I've just not been thinking about inq. stuff much recently.  One month. Guess I have to sit down and do some real planning  :).

I should be there also. Not sure I'll have time to finish my new models though!

Excellent :)

I've added you to the list on the front page.

As Marco says i have train tickets and preperation for another epic lunch so im definatley in attendance

Oooh good - another one.  A few more and we'll be good to go!  :)

Quote from: Kaled on February 15, 2012, 09:55:26 PM
I've emailed Saussure to ask if I can send out a message to everyone. Hopefully it'll net us a few more players...

Please. Don't. Ever. Do. That. Again.

That wasn't entirely slick, given I've now got three e-mails about the IGT, none of them the same.

Gav - thanks for sending that out much appreciated.

I'm very sorry it has annoyed you Charax, and the same goes for anyone else annoyed by it. I thought hard about whether to ask for such a message to be sent as it is unprecedented - at least, I don't remember the 'Clave ever sending a message to all members before (although it is common practice on quite a lot of forums) - but Saussure is the boss so I left it up to him...

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on February 17, 2012, 07:56:18 PM
That wasn't entirely slick, given I've now got three e-mails about the IGT, none of them the same.

really? thought only one went .. i'm sorry all :(

As much as I am seriously considering attending, I doubt ProjectSMP will be ready in time.

I assume by the use of an acronym that ProjectSMP is a secret? Or have I not been paying attention?

I'm sure that someone will be willing to lend you a couple of models if your warband is not finished in time. Of course, if you don't have one model of your own then you can't enter the P&M round, but you'd be welcome for the other rounds...

Oh, I have other warbands to use, but my admech warband has just become too massive to play (as it was mostly a modelling project anyway) and my Black Helix characters are mostly used as NPC's. ProjectSMP simply means 'Something More Playable' so not really a secret.

I feel left out. I only got one E-mail.

How odd. Well, I got two shortly before seven from the standard Conclave address, then a more formatted one at a bit before eight that was sent from Gav's site.

It doesn't bother me personally - better than spam relating to "increase your prowess" or "Your bank account has been desactivated" (usually thus misspelt, and none of them yet relating to a bank I actually do have an account with) - but there's clearly some people who feel more strongly.

Mind you, it's not hard to get Charax grumpy.

I got one from the 'Clave, one from Gav... And then wondered who would be first to complain about it :D

Hi, put me down as a very probable please - I should be able to confirm by end of Feb.

Thanks for sending out an email; I've been skulking in the p&m section and hadn't looked around further until now.

I've a quick query re the briefing pack.  Under Lightning Reflexes (17.1), the text reads

QuoteThe player declares the Action and rolls a D6. If the result is equal to or less
than the character's Speed, the Action is achieved (a roll of 1 always fails).

I'd have thought that auto-failing on a 6 would make more sense but I've never used the rule before.  Is it a deliberate system to reduce the chance of success or a small typo?

It seems counter-intuitive at first read, but it is deliberately that way to reduce the reflex chance.

I won't go so far as to book a ticket, though I'd quite like to come, bar one enormous issue - I'd effectively have to learn how to play the game almost from scratch in the next month or so.

Does anyone have a handy Inquisitor for Dummies guide I could peruse alongside my rulebook?

(I'm aware I've been inactive for a whole long time, and wasn't terribly active back then either, so it seems unlikely many people would know me.)

Not knowing how to play isn't really an issue - we've had new players before and everyone is always very helpful and will talk you through your games (partly because they're nice people, but also because it's likely to help their score). As long as you are familiar with the rulebook then you'll be fine - you'll need to understand with the actions mechanic, and the basics of shooting and hand-to-hand combat, but that should be enough to get you by. I would suggest bringing characters who are pretty simple - no psychic powers, no complex equipment etc so you only have to concentrate on the core bits of the rulebook. I'd also suggest cutting and pasting the rules for any skills and equipment that you do use onto a single reference sheet that you can quickly refer to. When it comes to GMing, create a fairly simple scenario that will let you concentrate on running the game. Make a list of character's speeds and initiatives (or use the cards I created) and just keep the game moving - your players should know the rules well enough anyway.

I wouldn't say it's a problem either.

Provided you've actually read the rulebook and you've got a veteran or two there to help explain it, it snaps into place pretty quickly once you actually start playing. Relearning it should be easier.

Rolling as low as possible on D10s and as high as possible on D6s is all you need :-D

I only get to play at 'clave meetups yet manage to do ok :-)

Except for the fact that you fail all your action rolls Gav!

There was a good article with some training scenarios in the first edition of Dark Magenta. Playing through them should be sufficient to refresh yourself on the core rules.

In regards to not knowing the game, i was familliar with inquisitor had not played it ever and so on the way to the event spent the train reading the pdf back to front on my laptop

the only point in which u need to be totally familliar with the rules is when ur gming and chances are someone on ur table will know the rules better than you defer to there judgement and explain its ur first time playing the game the inquisitor  community is small and tight knit and so wont take the piss cos the game and the community rely on trust

in reply to my above post, last year was my first time playing inquisitor and the guys where most gentle with me i had no warband of my own so i borrowed ( i did not enter the painting and modelling contest as i felt it would be unfair) however most if not everyone will be kind and respectful and in an effort to engage you and keep you in our community will bend over backwards for u so just turn up

Just thought I'd weigh in to support the group email: it woke me up and made me realise how long it's been since I came to one of these. On the downside, all my models are at home, I'm not sure when I'd next be able to pick them up, and they need a lot of prep work. Frankly, they're in an appalling state and my favourite one have gone missing somewhere (my chainsaw bayonet-wielding Catachan :'().

Still, give me a week or so to mull things over, check my timetable and plans and have a think about scenarios and I'll see if it's feasible.

Cheers,

Ross

Quote from: Stormgrad on February 19, 2012, 11:18:29 PMon the way to the event spent the train reading the pdf back to front on my laptop

Try reading it front to back this time - from experience, players don't appreciate you talking backwards.

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Quote from: Simeon Blackstar on February 20, 2012, 07:02:39 PMJust thought I'd weigh in to support the group email

Woot. Hopefully we'll lure a few more people on board.

As for your models, you're better off than I am. Mine aren't even sculpted yet!

I believe that our little group from Manchester should be coming by, maybe 3-5 of us. Can't remember everyone's Conclave haandles though.

Well, my recollection of who made up your group was Adlan, Mordenkenain & Seraphim, but I don't know if there are any more of you - or indeed who'd be turning out.

Excellent - that should mean we definitely have enough to make it a worthwhile event. :)

Yep, that's us (there's another, but I'm not sure if he ever posted anything). Obviously can't speak in confirmation for the others, but I'm pretty much sure the four of us are coming. (Unsure on guy number 5)

I thought I'd already posted this, but apparently not - I don't really have the spare cash for it this year, which is disappointing.

I know it was controversial, but I think the email was a good idea - perhaps a little earlier would have done the job.

One month to go...

I know some people like the pressure of finishing their characters the night before and coming up with a scenario on the journey to Nottingham, but I thought I'd remind people about the 7 Ps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Ps_(military_adage)).

Tickets are still on sale and not many have been sold, so I'm assuming that most of the people who are coming plan to pay for theirs on the day.

Now, I really must finish off this year's Inquisition quiz...

well, it was always a bit up in the air whether or not I'd be able to make it this time, but it's now looking increasingly likely that I'll be busy running a scout camp that weekend.

You just aren't having any luck with the last few events, are you?

Myself, I need to make sure that I put a torch in my bag, as there seems to be some policy that's started in the last few weeks to turn all the town's street lights off late at night. I nearly killed myself last time I walked back from the train station at night, and that was without it being pitch black.

So, how many players (based on forum pledges/actual tickets sold) are we looking at for the event?

I think the list on the opening post is essentially up-to-date, so 14.

Might be more though, as there seem to be a few people who've expressed interest but not confirmed their presence or lamented their absence yet. Plus people who think they've signed up but actually haven't, as happened with my Autumn 'Clave.

Pessimism says it won't be though.

Unfortunately I will be unable to attend the tournament due to conflicts with other scheduled events, really is such a shame but I'm afraid nothing can be done.

I can now say that I'm a definite definite, the cheque is being posted after work today and the train ticket's booked.  I know I'm already listed on the front page but I'm too excited to not post.  My scenario gets play-testing this weekend and models should be finished the week after that.

Excellent, look forwards to seeing you there.

Yet another reminder - advance tickets are on sale until the weekend, after that you'll have to buy them on the door which'll cost you an extra couple of quid. I plan to send tickets to everyone who has bought them in advance on Sunday - if you don't get one and think you've paid then please get in contact with me.

If I get the warband painted I intend to appear but need to read the rules more.

As long as your models have a few colours painted you'll be fine - people have used incomplete models in the past (and even done pretty well in the P&M round from what I recall). As for needing to read the rules more - I think that could be said of almost all of us!

I have only ever played about 4 games hoping to play this gt though.

We've had people who've never actually managed to play a game before. If you read the rulebook thoroughly, make sure you've got the quick reference sheet around and keep the scenario you need to run simple (ideas like "find artefact X" or "capture person Y" are usually fairly solid, and a simple twist in the form of some complication like weather or environment can add a lot), you should be alright with the gaming.

Bad news ladies and gents - my long awaited shoulder surgery has been scheduled for Friday the 30th of March.  Being as that's the day I'd be flying down to Nottingham, I won't be able to attend the IGT this year.

I'm disappointed that I won't have the opportunity to defend my title, but I really need to get my shoulder fixed so I can, amongst other things, get back to pulling teeth! 

Kaled, no need to refund my entry fee, and you'll save yourself the cost of an envelope and stamp for my ticket!

Ruaridh

Just to announce Sumaki and I should be there. Just got to decide what to bring with me for my scenario.

this would be so much simplet if I could ask you lot your opinions first.

If you hunt around the forums you should find peoples characters  8)
two of mine are in the thread " Followers Of The Machine-god" ...

on scenario, maybe worth pming kaled ... i'd offer my help as ive finished my scenario but not sure.how that'll affect things...

Quote from: Van Helser on March 13, 2012, 11:37:45 AMBad news ladies and gents - my long awaited shoulder surgery has been scheduled for Friday the 30th of March.

Ouch. Sod's law in action. All appropriate condolences mate.

Quote from: jediknight129 on March 13, 2012, 01:53:24 PMthis would be so much simpler if I could ask you lot your opinions first.

We're not that strict about it. We often use characters we've posted up on the Rules section for feedback, models that have been critiqued and improved in the modelling section and we've even had people borrow characters for the day.
Ultimately, we're all there to have fun rather than because we take winning seriously, so we're usually pretty flexible about handing out help here and there, as ultimately, it does improve our experience on the day.

Obviously, you don't want to be giving away any surprises that might feature in your scenario, but even then you're not too restricted. If you really need help, you could trying PMing Kaled as Gav says, but maybe some of our unfortunate absentees wouldn't mind helping either.

In any case, I'm (usually) willing to help with problems I'm PMed about, and there's not that large a chance I'll have to play in your game. Even if I did, I'd hope that I'm able to separate my character actions from the semi-omniscient position I have as a player anyway.

Shame you can't make it Van, but I hope your surgery goes okay and best wishes for a speedy recovery.  Look forwards to seeing you there Karandras & Sumaki.

Jediknight129 - send me a PM and I'll help where I can. I don't want to get into reviewing people's characters and scenarios but I'll give you some pointers if you need them.

Who's going to be around into the evening? I know we've lost Van Helser and Heroka Vendile is an unlikely attendee as well (which may rather limit Stormgrad's plans for an RT session in the evening), but is there anyone else?

There's no point in my trying to book tickets later than normal if there's not going to be anyone there...

Regardless ill bring the RT CR and some PreMades for people to jump in with, Ill need to leave about 19:30 to get to the train (i believe my train is 8 ish - dont have the tickets to hand right now) anyone planning on staying for a drink after is welcome to join in and if your like it we have space in both the DH and RT Rp Groups if you wish to carry on your adventures in the 40k Universe

Afternoon all,

I've just sent out the tickets for the IGT.  Once again, tickets have been issued by e-mail to keep costs down, and have been sent to the address that was on the application forms.  If you do not have a ticket and believe that you should have then please get in contact.

I guess that means that everyone else who plans to attend will be buying their ticket on the day.  Tickets will be £12 on the door - please bring payment in cash and it would be extremely helpful if you could bring the exact money as I am unlikely to have a lot of change.

For everyone that is attending - please note the list of things to bring that is detailed in sections 2 & 3 of the briefing pack.  In particular, it would be well worth everyone bringing a copy of the briefing pack as that contains the scoring system that you will be using to evaluate other players/GMs.

Looking forwards to seeing you all there.  If you have any questions in the meantime, please send me a PM or e-mail.

- Dave

i plan on purchasing on the day mate

Dont think im going to attend this time chaps.

Unfortunately i think without any kind of ready reckoner style limitations on characters, the pressure to take power weapon armed, psychic and heavily armoured characters in order to compete renders the scenarios at the event often frustrating.
At the past events i have attended i have found that any underpowered characters have been shot at for spurious reasons, charged and killed in a single turn or suffered some other horrible fate on a whim. Whilst i can appreciate that there are many different approaches to the game, i have found it frustrating to say the least. Whilst the IGT is a more comptetitive event, I find it is still important for everybody to enjoy the scenario and the game, and in the past, this has not been the case for me.
Whilst events in Inquisitor games rarely go smoothly, often games devolve into a brawl early on, with no opportunity to develop the storyline, and without any restrictions on characters i have found myself knocked out of the games early on by warbands entirely comprised of powerful characters with no appreciable weaknesses.

Whilst this message may sound accusative, i understand that it can be difficult to run these events, and to keep all players happy, but the current structure sadly doesnt excite me.

Sorry to hear you feel that way and to an extent I agree. I have seen those types of things at some events and as a player I've more than once been frustrated when GMs have allowed other players to do things that didn't seem in character or appropriate for the game. I think that's probably bad GMing and bad playing and, in my opinion, should result in a lower score.*

I appreciate you feel it's not worth you attending this time, however to turn this around to be more constructive, how would you structure an event to get around these issues? There's space in the calendar for other Conclave events and I for one would certainly appreciate someone fresh organising an event who might go about things in a different way.


* To be clear though, in my opinion such occurrences are pretty rare, but if you did take part in the IGT you'd be able to score them appropriately and hopefully encourage the type of play that you prefer.

Quote from: Bloodpact on March 19, 2012, 07:02:30 PM
Unfortunately i think without any kind of ready reckoner style limitations on characters, the pressure to take power weapon armed, psychic and heavily armoured characters in order to compete renders the scenarios at the event often frustrating.

i'm intrigued.. is this from personal experience?
after all, the "judged-by-fellow-gamers" has usually worked in my experience .. and i've taken some well OTT characters* (but played 'em fairly... always had Good Sport points :D ) :)

*and some not.. my only character did bugger all for most of the last meet-up, yet i still placed 3rd to play on the top table :D

While I agree that games can get into brawls (and lopsided brawls at that) more easily than I would like, this would seem to be attributed to an under-assertive GM and the inherent limitations of scenarios written in a vacuum, not the lack of a points system. Such a thing is impossible given the massive number of possible character designs and how unquantifiable factors like a character's personality affects their impact on the game.

Different characters with the same stats, skills and equipment would be of different "power" depending on whether they're aggressive or cautious. If I gave one of my characters to someone else, they'd not be worth the same number of points - even if they didn't have a wild personality shift under the hands of another player, it'll be a different interpretation.

There's no fashion in which a game like this can ever be properly balanced. And I wouldn't want there to be, because that would encourage "optimising" warbands. In fact, I'd be very reluctant to go to any event that tried to do such a thing.

Because a points system isn't a solution, the solution lies with the GM. And if we focus it there, I think you have a fair point. I know I'm not always as forceful as I should be. In any case, I think I'm going to try and take the comments on-board with some scenario redesign and keeping any spurious excuses for fights more strongly in mind when it comes to scoring time.

Quote from: Stormgrad on March 18, 2012, 08:30:31 AMRegardless ill bring the RT CR and some PreMades for people to jump in with

While I commend the enthusiasm, don't get your hopes too high. You may have to settle for an extra game of Inquisitor if there's not enough willing and able players for RT.

~~~~~

In other news, given a lack of any response as to who's around, I'm not planning on trying to stay late. If I want to go via the later London trains, I have to pre-book to keep it cost effective - which then means I can't leave on any other train but that one.

Sitting around alone and exhausted isn't my idea of fun, so I'm on the non-London routes and my evac is now no later than 20:09. (But my 19:37 option would be better, as that timetable's got both more leeway and more opportunity for sleeping on the train.)

I must chip in and say that my experience of the points scoring at the IGT has penalised those with heavily armed characters whose approach to completing each scenario is to remove the opposition. A ready reckoner system shouldn't be needed, and indeed would detract from what makes Inquisitor special. Tournament points based upon the "cool" of characters and the players approach to the game makes for the right way to decide a winner. The current set up is excellent (I may be biased, having placed 2nd and 1st on my two entries, but I have done so completing my objectives in only one scenario out of the six I've played in!).

Ruaridh

Kaled PMed me about this, but I'm posting it here for the convenience of others.
I got a bit sidetracked with trying to sort this, and have consequently done less modelling than I would have liked today, but here's the assignment solution for three tables:

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Game 1: 1,6,7,12 - 2,4,5,8 - 3,9,10,11
Game 2: 1,4,7,9 - 2,3,6,11 - 5,8,10,12
Game 3: 1,3,6,8 - 2,4,9,10 - 5,7,11,12
Game 4: 1,2,5,11 - 3,4,7,10 - 6,8,9,12

If no player #11, put #3 in his place in game three.
If no player #10 either, put #4 in his place in game one, and #7 in his place in game two.

Obviously, three tables and four players per table means you can't avoid anyone meeting twice (if you've got to pick four people from the three games they've just played, you've got to pick more than one from one of the games) and less obviously, get everyone to meet at least once - but this is as good a solution as I can find, as the GMing order means that nobody will play each other twice.

Shame I'm on the other side of the pond. This looks to be an interesting event, though as random Canadian dude, me showing up would be rather out of place even on short notice...

Still I hope you all have a great time though.

Thanks Marco, much appreciated. I'm going to hang onto those as they'll be useful for future events too.

No problem. I've gone and dropped them into the Gaming Aids thread too so that others can find them more easily in future, and I'll probably add 2 and 5 table solutions at some point as well.

EDIT: In other news, my new D20s have arrived. I may be using them for my group's "house method" for full auto fire, given I (spoiler) plan on bringing a Full(16) weapon that would take forever to roll normally.

I spoke to WHW the other day to confirm arrangements for the IGT and have asked for our usual mix of terrain. Apparently they have some Space Hulk boards which the guy suggested might work well for Inquisitor so he's going to see about putting one of those out for us. Hopefully that will work well if anyone has planned a scenario to take place in an enclosed indoor space.

Also, please bear in mind that if we have an odd number of participants then some people will be asked to GM a second game - so you might want to plan for that eventuality. And if there are an odd number of players then, as long as everyone agrees, I might bring a warband and join in a game or two.

See you all next weekend,
Dave

I doubt anyone from the usual crowd would object to your participation mate

Quote from: Kaled on March 25, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
Apparently they have some Space Hulk boards which the guy suggested might work well for Inquisitor so he's going to see about putting one of those out for us. Hopefully that will work well if anyone has planned a scenario to take place in an enclosed indoor space.

Hmm, I was actually half-way through assembling the scenery for my scenario: a space hulk made from this - http://www.stones-edges.com/scifi/orbital

I presume the spece hulk boards they are talking about are just the flat cardboard ones though? If so, I'll continue.

Quote from: Stormgrad on March 25, 2012, 12:10:11 PMI doubt anyone from the usual crowd would object to your participation mate

Same here - I can't imagine that it's all that interesting if you've not even got to GM, and I know I'd rather be running my scenario for three than two. Win-win really.

Quote from: seiterarch on March 25, 2012, 07:17:28 PMI presume the spece hulk boards they are talking about are just the flat cardboard ones though?

I suspect it'll be more like the one they did for the Armageddon campaign that later got recycled as the Karis Cephalon catacombs, or perhaps the FW Anphelion Base interior or Zone Mortalis.

In any case, push on. The worst case scenario is that you'll have a choice on the day and a board you can use at home.

~~~~~

And some other news that I can't be bothered to post in a more sensible place - I've finally won a copy of the rare Exterminatus #8 to complete my collection, in an eBay bidding war so ferocious no-one else was around. This, boys and girls, is why we check international listings.

I got the impression they were 3D Space Hulk boards, but I can't remember exactly what he said so I may be wrong. I guess we'll find out on the day.

will I be able to get a load (and I mean A LOAD) of buildings and a crater or should I bring some with me

GMs should have some choice of terrain, but choices will be limited. If you need specific terrain then you might be best bringing your own - generally I suggest trying to avoid scenarios that need specific terrain because there are no guarantees as to what you'll get.

i did for the last one (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/conclaveautumn11.php?i=DSCI0665.jpg) :)
also, has a deffo +1 for the day; Olis... and t missus will be lounging in t bar :)

Quote from: Van Helser on March 20, 2012, 09:22:49 PM
I must chip in and say that my experience of the points scoring at the IGT has penalised those with heavily armed characters whose approach to completing each scenario is to remove the opposition. A ready reckoner system shouldn't be needed, and indeed would detract from what makes Inquisitor special. Tournament points based upon the "cool" of characters and the players approach to the game makes for the right way to decide a winner. The current set up is excellent (I may be biased, having placed 2nd and 1st on my two entries, but I have done so completing my objectives in only one scenario out of the six I've played in!).

Ruaridh

I agree that a ready reckoner is by no means an ideal solution, but i think a few limitations would go a long way to reducing the power creep of warbands.

To clarify, i am entirely happy that people would be penalised for overly aggressive play, or super powered characters, but all of these factors are applied to an overall score, which while important in the overall scheme of the day, has very little effect on the enjoyment of the game. I think that the points scoring for GM's actually discourages them from penalising players during the game, as this may lead to them receiving a lower GM score from the affected participent. While it could be argued that a player who is a victim of overly aggressive play may score a GM lower because of it, i dont think this is the case 99% of the time.

With a nod to last year, the scenario i found most challenging and interesting was Gav's 'Rock Concert' scenario where players were severely limited on their characters and equipment, and were forced to think hard about how to acheive their objectives (although it should be pointed out that this scenario still devolved into a brawl in the centre of the board).

While i was pleased to place 2nd last year, and would have tryed to improve upon this, overall enjoyment of the games is more important to me than how many points other players do, or do not get, and placing well comes a long way behind enjoyable games in my book. 

Quote from: Kaled on March 25, 2012, 09:22:18 AM
Apparently they have some Space Hulk boards which the guy suggested might work well for Inquisitor so he's going to see about putting one of those out for us. Hopefully that will work well if anyone has planned a scenario to take place in an enclosed indoor space.

These boards would be excellent for Inquisitor. They are basically 4 x 4 boards with lots of snaking corridors and rooms made from the square roof tile pieces from the cities of death buildings (each square is roughly 40mm x 40mm, so are great size for Inquisitor). Some corridors are single file, some are double wide.

Really Wish I could be there. Have fun chaps. So annoyed I will be in Nottingham yet unable to attend.

Quote from: Bloodpact on March 27, 2012, 09:44:14 PM...most challenging and interesting was Gav's 'Rock Concert' scenario (although it should be pointed out that this scenario still devolved into a brawl in the centre of the board).

As the initiator of said violence, I must say in my defence that for the rest of us, it largely rode on your assassin making a move - which didn't happen until late in the game, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised to hear you were waiting for a distraction first.

In my case, I got a bit more of a short straw as I had only a vague instruction to investigate the audience for impurity (as opposed to you two, who had less cryptic instructions to try and kill/protect the singer) and my attempts to do that largely gave results equivalent to "You are in a mosh pit", so when it came down to the point that one of my characters got clouted by an audience member, I really had little clue what to be doing and so went with the (entirely in character) response of slugging him back.

i must admit, i was at a loss as to what to do with a third participant other than duplicate one of the other players' objectives... demonstrating that if you wanted a background-driven objective, you really need to fill it out and possible paths the player may take :-[

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on March 28, 2012, 04:19:08 AM
...which didn't happen until late in the game, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised to hear you were waiting for a distraction first.

I all honesty, i was absolutely wracking my brains for a way to assassinate the singer without implicating myself or my organisation. Whilst the brawl was handy, i certainly didnt expect it to escalate the way it did. I was trying to use the tech priest investigating the lighting rig to distract any unfriendly attention while my Acolyte forced somebody in the front row at knife-point to shoot the singer. Sadly the person i tried to force was possibly the most inept shot in the sub-sector.

The scenario forced me to think around a tricky situation, rather than a lot of games which are resolved by starting a gunfight, sprinting 3 times to point X, picking up item Y and then sprinting 3 times off the board.



@Kaled. I would be interested in running an event, but im not sure how many players would enjoy the restrictions i would put on character equipment! Im happy to write up a proposal for an event later in the year though. Let me have a think and i'll get back to you.

Looks like this is the first event in a couple years that I'm not going to be able to attend :( A combination of uni pressures, deadlines, work, blah blah blah. I hope you all have a great time and I look forward to seeing the pictures and writeups!

10-6 this saturday you say? No promises but its beginning to look feasible- all my scenes are being filmed on Friday and I'll still be in Nottingham on Saturday... packing my figs, my book and some pdfs and crossing my fingers!

Yay - it'd be great to see you there.

Oh yes, please remember to pack cameras, tape measures, dice, pencils and all the other usual paraphernalia. I shouldn't have to say it, but I've lost count of the times people have forgotten one or more of the essentials.

And don't forget Carthax (http://carthax.wikispaces.com/) - the perfect place to record background for your scenarios, characters background, and tales of heroism and treachery from your games on the day.

Looking forwards to seeing you all on Saturday.

- Dave

Quote from: Kaled on March 29, 2012, 08:57:48 PM
Oh yes, please remember to pack cameras, tape measures, dice, pencils and all the other usual paraphernalia.

i've got all the gear.. except i can't find my D10s  :'(
hopefully they're in the car, otherwise Olis is lending me 2  ::)

curse my lack of Inquisitor Gaming! otherwise they'd be to hand :)

The cameras are the most important, those of us who cannot come still want to see pictures, lots and lots of them!

Looks like I'll be travelling by train on Saturday due to the general unavailability of petrol around here. Hopefully the situation will calm down, but at the minute it looks like I can't count on getting enough petrol to do the full round trip and have enough left for work next week, so Plan B seems prudent at this point. Fortunately, even though the train fare is not as cheap as it'd have been if I'd booked in advance, it's not much different to the price of a tank of petrol. So, what time are other people's trains arriving in Nottingham?

We were supposed to be going to see my parents tonight, so if I get a bit of petrol I may be travelling down from their house (which is between Lincoln and Doncaster), otherwise I'll getting the train from Preston. If anyone is likely to be travelling on either of those routes, get in touch and we can try to meet up on the train.

- Dave

Well, I'm coming up the country, so you won't meet me on the train, but if it all works out on time, I'll be coming into Nottingham at 0903. Stormgrad will be there at 0842* and the two of us should be meeting at the station. Might be walking, might be taxi - depends.

*Next time, I need to convince him to take the 0700 from St Pancras (rather than the 0655), because that's the one I get on at Bedford at 0738 rather than the one that shoots past about seven minutes earlier without stopping. Might take about 15 minutes longer due to the extra stops, but it'd be more interesting. Same applies to anyone else coming out of STP of course.

Looks like I'm also going to be short on petrol for the weekend. Which train are you catching from Preston Dave?

I'll probably catch the 6.53 from Chorley, which is the 6.44 Train from Preston. Gets in to Nottingham at 9.30am.

If I'm coming from Preston then that's the train I'll be on. What train do you plan to get on the way home?

I need see if Bran can top up her car and talk to my parents before making a final decision about whether we go to their house so I'll let you know later today.

EDIT: Bran has been able to get petrol for her car, which means that we'll be able to go visit my parents as planned. Therefore, I'll either be getting the train from Gainborough or Doncaster in the morning. Or, if we are able to fill up the car when we get to Doncaster I may be able to drive to Nottingham after all.

Hope everyone else's journeys work out okay.

Quick update Sumaki cannot make it due to Illness poor boy. But it does mean more room in my car for something else :P

Good luck to all the competitors! I'm looking forward to reading reports and seeing photos over the coming weeks!

Ruaridh (and his sling!)

So Update: IM AWAKE, cup of coffee in hand 15 mins before the taxi is due. Will be taking pictures of the whole day so stay tuned

Update: I am on the train to London

Dude, I never slept (mainly cos WW3 taking place on my chest would not have then got me up), see ya there...

<Maniacal Laugh>

Now in Leicester only 45 mins to go

Apologies all but I won't be there, as I've caught a dose of something foul.  I got as far as Leicester but had to turn back.  :(
So while it means no birthday inquisitor-ing for me, the upside is that I can do a mean plaguebearer impression right now.

Hope it's a great day for you all, I look forward to the pics.

Evening all,

Just a short post with the results from today's tournament. I'll do a more complete write up in a few days when I get back from my parents.

In third place was 'Greenstuff' Gav Fry, in the main due to a great score as a GM. He was just beaten to the best GM crown by Nicholas Carpenter who also took second place overall. First place went to David 'MarcoSkoll' Fincher who won both the best player crown and the painting & modelling round.

- Dave

woo!  ;D
cheers all for great games and to Dave for organising!  8)

so, with a 350mile round drive, pictures & writeup will wait till tomorrow!

cheers all :D

I find myself somewhat surprised by my success, as I feel I must have scored less than brilliantly in the GMing, as my attempts to encourage less violent play when went too right and resulted in a game without much in the way of action. (Something to bear in mind in our current discussions about "balance" - lack of aggression can be as bad as too much.)

Not the only surprise of the day of course, which included a visit from John Blanche and the amusing situation of people whose brains took a few seconds to register said fact.
Really great for me though, as he'd dug up the picture of a cosplay of the "Winter Dress Noble" (http://fav.me/d3cqef6) he'd mentioned when I'd shown him the incomplete Martejja back at the OpenBash. A short conversation he had three weeks ago with a nobody he'd never met before, and he goes to that trouble (and I'm not even sure his arrival at the GT was coincidental...).

Also, I apparently have to send him photos now. I can't really ask for higher praise than that.

And yes, I am still up at two when the last time I slept was Friday morning. Pictures will thus wait. Bye bye.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on April 01, 2012, 01:57:48 AM
I feel I must have scored less than brilliantly in the GMing, as my attempts to encourage less violent play when went too right and resulted in a game without much in the way of action. (Something to bear in mind in our current discussions about "balance" - lack of aggression can be as bad as too much.)

Your GM score was mid table Marco*, but I have to say that none of the games I saw descended into a brawl in the middle of the table and were fairly non-violent. Either people have paid attention to the recent discussions on that subject and adjusted their play/GM styles accordingly, or it wasn't that big a problem in the first place. That said, because I played in three games I didn't get to see as many of the scenarios as I did last year so I can't say whether other tables ended up as brawls - I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions on that subject.

I'd also like to say thanks to everyone who let me play in their games - I enjoyed all three games immensely as my characters faced off against a Tyranid invasion, a murderous Dark Eldar and an insane Tech-Priest. I half wish I'd been scored because I thought I played pretty well and it'd have been nice to know how I compared. However I do think I need to get a better handle on the personalities of my characters - they still don't feel as 'alive' to me as some of my other PCs.

As Marco says, John Blanche turned up for a chat - he was coming in to do some work, but knew the IGT was on so came to have a look. He clearly pays some attention to the 'Clave because one thing we discussed was my criticism of the 'Emperor's Will' artbook. I still think it would have been better with captions, but after he told me how he'd put the book together in his spare time I certainly feel bad for using the word 'lazy' to describe their absence. :-[

The Space Hulk board was especially popular - we should definitely book that one for future events.


* I'll post up a summary of the rankings later, but if people want a breakdown of their own scores then send me a PM - I'll probably send replies out during the week, I doubt I'll get time to type them up today.

so, i've uploaded Pics Here (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/minis/conclavegt12.php) including of the game i ran (but haven't done a post for that yet!)  and a Story Report (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1947.0) of my games :)

Edit: looking at it, next time i GM i'm imposing penalties for anyone who leaves dice on the table :lol:

Thanks Gav - great write up. :)

As always I'd like feedback on the event itself and what did and didn't work. Personally I thought pre-ordering lunch and eating after game 1 was a huge improvement over previous years. And having the P&M competition straight after lunch and scored by the participants worked well. But I'd like to hear other people's opinions - especially for things that can be improved.

The subject of future events was discussed, so hopefully the Summer Conclave will happen. Marco and I also discussed how we might run an event across both 54mm and 28mm and still get sufficient mixing of the two halves of the community. As well as people having the option of bringing warbands at one or both scales, I also wonder about having 28mm players GM the 54mm games (and vice versa) which would give people chance to see how the other half does things. But if there's sufficient interest in that idea it should probably go in another thread (there's already a thread for the Summer Conclave).

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on April 01, 2012, 01:57:48 AM
I find myself somewhat surprised by my success, as I feel I must have scored less than brilliantly in the GMing, as my attempts to encourage less violent play when went too right and resulted in a game without much in the way of action. (Something to bear in mind in our current discussions about "balance" - lack of aggression can be as bad as too much.)

Well, you're not alone in being surprised at your GM'ing score, but I actually found that to be one of the more interesting games, even if the assassins did take so long making their move that I may well have had Terwyn take a shot at the target on their behalf if they hadn't finally done so themselves. Also, while I agree that a lack of aggression can be a problem, there was still plenty of interaction between the different warbands-it wasn't as if we were simply ignoring each other.

Quoteso I can't say whether other tables ended up as brawls - I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions on that subject.

erm, no giant brawls, just much threatening and 1 table with a guy with an electro-flail laying waste to my warband... thank you very much Ungen...most often it was more 'my organisation is more important than your organisation' than 'my enormous weapon is more damaging than your enormous weapon'

all in all a very fun day

Early in the Day we had a few people looking on with interest, and so a while in, Kaled pointed out that we had some leaflets to give out that explained the game a little. Eager to share the hobby, a little later on when a scruffily distinguished gent seemed interested, I offered him a leaflet rather clumsily. After accepting ours, he produced his own "leaflet".

An ID Card: John Blanche

I was very impressed, and showed him the 54mm Ravener that my brother had Converted up. That was pretty cool.


Thanks for a Brilliant Day Kaled, and to anyone on the fence, or who hasn't come to a Clave event for a while, go for it, it's a blast.

Quote from: Adlan on April 01, 2012, 02:09:05 PM
showed him the 54mm Ravener that my brother had Converted up. That was pretty cool.

i think Mr. Blanche is a pretty awesome guy; was willing to chat and lookit peoples toys :D

also, i dunno if Friendface links work, but here's Olis' Pictures (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.284362611637964&type=1)

Sounds like it was a really good turnout, I'm disappointed that I couldn't make it! :(

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's photos from the day as well, Gav's are great! Which person owned the Tyranid models there? I have to congratulate him on his choice of colour scheme.

Afternoon all,

I've found a spare hour or two to type up the scores, so it's time for a more complete breakdown of the results.  We had ten participants, so a few less than I'd have hoped for, but enough to make it a great event.

I'll break down the scores in each of the four categories first.

Best Player
David Fincher won the Best Player crown, scoring 35.3 out of a possible 40.  He had the highest score in almost every player category, so his win was well deserved.  Adam Durrant took second place with good scores across the board, but distinguished himself with his single-minded pursuit of his objectives - scoring considerably higher in that category than anyone else.  The fight for third place was especially hard fought with less than one point separating Jordan Massey, Stephen Yates and James Carpenter.  James just edged out the other two to take third, mostly due to achieving more of his objectives.

Best GM
The race to be named best GM was also very close, but in the end Nicholas Carpenter took the crown with a total of 35.5 points out of 40.  He scored highest in the categories of Scenario, Fun, and Control, and had a good score for his rules Knowledge as well.  Second in the GM stakes was Gav Fry who was only a couple of points behind Nicholas.  Neil Bass came in third in the race for the Best Gm crown, and was only a fraction of a point behind Gav.

The numbers meant that in the final round we needed two people to GM for a second time.  Richand Lamb and Stephen Yates were good enough to volunteer and I'm happy to say that this decision paid off for both of them as they both improved their scores from their first game and each jumped a place or two in the GM rankings, (which was enough to push Richard up into fourth place).

Painting & Modelling
David Fincher's much admired female Rogue Trader was a clear winner in the Painting & Modelling round, scoring 8.6 out of a possible 10.  Second place went to Nicholas Carpenter and third to Jason Rowlands.

Unfortunately I didn't have a camera so don't have pictures of all the entries and don't know if anyone else took any.  If people could post links to their entries I would very much appreciate it.

The Inquisition
No one managed a full score for 'The Inquisition' tiebreaker, however David Fincher came close with 21.5 out of a possible 25.  Adam Durrant got the sceond highest score with 18, and Neil Bass came third with 14.

Total Scores
Overall, after his wins for Best Player and Painting & Modelling it was no surprise that David 'MarcoSkoll' Fincher came top of the table with 73.9 points out of a possible 90.  Looks like he'll be the man to beat next year.

Nicholas Carpenter win for Best GM helped carry him into second place with a total of 70.2 points.

Greenstuff Gav won a well deserved third place with 68.4 points in total.

The rest of the leaderboard was as follows;
4 = Neil Bass
5 = Adam Durrant
6 = James Carpenter
7 = Stephen Yates
8 = Richard Lamb
9 = Jordan Massey
10 = Jason Rowlands

It seemed like everyone had a lot of fun on the day - I know I did.  Much as I enjoyed yesterday though, I am looking to name a successor - I think I have found a volunteer, so hopefully that'll be confirmed in the next day or two.  I'm looking forwards to entering the tournament again to have the chance to face off against some of our newer entrants.

As I mentioned before, if you want to know how your scores compared to the average, send me a PM and I'll let you have a breakdown of your results (please include your real name as despite having name badges, I'm still not 100% certain I can match everyone's username to their real name and I'd hate to make a mistake and send someone the wrong scores).

Be seeing you,
Dave

I had a great time, myself, even if I did come last.  ;D

I must say I was dissapointed I didn't recognise John bloody Blanche, though. :(

Excellent - glad to hear you had fun.  I think for next year someone needs to make an Inquisitorial wooden spoon for the person who comes last.

I can't access the link to your pictures on Friendface - maybe a permissions thing?  Or perhaps you could put them on Photobucket or similar?

Of and despite meeting you for real yesterday, I still feel that I should say...
Welcome to the Conclave!

- Dave

Thankyou for the welcome. The pictures on FB are in our group's album but the group is a 'Closed Group' atm. I might change that to an Open Group setting for a while, I think, see if that helps. :)

Edit - I've just noticed I came third for painting. That's actually a surprise. ;D

Or pop em onna memorystick and ill upload  :)

Quote from: greenstuff_gav on April 01, 2012, 05:47:30 PM
Or pop em onna memorystick and ill upload  :)

We'll consider that plan B, dude. :)

It was said at the time but again I'd Like to thank Kaled for his excellent organisation and hosting the event.

The games i ran where fun and enjoyable to GM and despite it being the same scenario both games turned out very different with one being very combat heavy toward the end and the other being all about co-operation against a mutual foe (The Mad Tech priest Forenz Talor)

The Games i played in where both lots of fun i performed better in my second game despite not being able to complete my objective (if i was just able to read that one guys mind) and Neil and Nicholas thank you both for running them both games where tremendous fun even if i only managed to stun, grenade and mentally assault my own characters in the first game :P

Thank you to Steve, Jayson, James, Dave, David and Jordan as you where great fun to compete against and GM for during the games i was involved in and thank you all for bringing such excellent models to the table

Ok so i took a few pictures
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0169.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0166.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0165.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0164.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0163.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/Stormgrad/IMAG0162.jpg)

First things first, my pictures from the day: http://s772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/MarcoSkoll/Inquisitor%20Events/IGT%202012/

Quote from: Kaled on April 01, 2012, 09:05:38 AMYour GM score was mid table Marco

Darn. Needs more Titan.

QuoteAs Marco says, John Blanche turned up for a chat - he was coming in to do some work, but knew the IGT was on so came to have a look. He clearly pays some attention to the 'Clave because one thing we discussed was my criticism of the 'Emperor's Will' artbook.

Yeah, it only occurred to me afterwards that he'd asked after "Kaled" and not "Dave", which is what made me realise he must have been reading the forums (I doubt you booked the event as Kaled) and was actually expecting us to be there.
It would appear that many of us did not expect him though, given that I've now heard about five stories that go along the lines of "Hello... wait, you're John Blanche".

On the note of JB, while I know you had those criticisms of it, it's likely a chunk of my winnings will go towards acquiring The Emperor's Will. For someone like me who tends to work from scratch anyway, a big reference tome will go further than spending the vouchers on plastic, metal or resin.

But that said, I think I might put the rest on a box of Fenrisian Wolves as Inquisitor scale canids and a Lelith Hesperax - not for Inquisitor, just for display.
(Yes, this is 50p over budget, but I'll justify that as one of the huge number of coins a vending machine vomited up at me at Milton Keynes Central on my way home).

QuoteAs always I'd like feedback on the event itself and what did and didn't work. Personally I thought pre-ordering lunch and eating after game 1 was a huge improvement over previous years. And having the P&M competition straight after lunch and scored by the participants worked well.

I think that it all worked well. An earlier lunch is good as people probably eat their brekkie pretty early in the morning, and it'll help us miss the queues in future (even if WHW wasn't that busy yesterday, possibly due to fuel worries and the FW day today)

I think the P&M worked out well too, as I think it gives more reward to the modelling side of things than having the relatively Inquisitor-illiterate store staff who don't really know the model range and its limits. Mind you, I may be biased as the person who went from middling scores to the top of the pack.

QuoteMarco and I also discussed how we might run an event across both 54mm and 28mm and still get sufficient mixing of the two halves of the community. As well as people having the option of bringing warbands at one or both scales...

Yeah, I really didn't get the criticism that came up on the forums when we suggested this - the one that being able to bring warbands at both scales was tantamount to suggesting that 54mm was the better scale.

We've seen many more 54mm players decide to also take up 28mm than vice versa, and I think that trend would continue if mono-scale players decided they were going to go dual-scale for the event. So I do think the decision would benefit the 28mm side of things far more than the 54mm.
But to be entirely frank, there's not much point in a dual-scale event if players only bring one or the other. It might as well be two separate events for how much it'll limit interactions.

As for getting players to GM at the other scale, we brought up the success of my requesting Chaos Cultists at the Autumn Conclave. If we get people to bring along models that'll serve as NPC goons and maybe the odd important head honcho, as well as a fairly few generic objectives (although these are often reasonably scale independent), then GMs should be able to cover the needs of most scenarios, even if they've not got a collection in that scale themselves.

QuoteNo one managed a full score for 'The Inquisition' tiebreaker, however David Fincher came close with 21.5 out of a possible 25

Yeah, I think one of the answers I found in the word search was given to the wrong question.

Quote from: Mordenkenain on April 01, 2012, 01:33:19 PMmost often it was more 'my organisation is more important than your organisation' than 'my enormous weapon is more damaging than your enormous weapon'

Actually, given how effective the persuasion and threats turned out to be at times, I am left wondering if perhaps we need to add a few more modifiers to threats that aren't well backed up.
Violence alone wouldn't hugely faze a lot of characters, and telling an Inquisitor you're an Inquisitor isn't going to be that intimidating.

I put a quite big modifier on Karandas for his "Surrender to the Inquisition or else" threat, as I think  the Inquisition's reputation would make many people would prefer "else".

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Also, for those who would like to know (Kaled may have to correct me if I'm wrong), I think these are the right names, usernames and numbers:

#1: Richard Lamb (Stormgrad)
#2: David Fincher (MarcoSkoll)
#3: Adam Durrant (Adlan)
#4: Neil Bass (Karandras_sh)
#5: Jordan Massey (Mordenkenain)
#6: Stephen Yates (Cortez)
#7: James Carpenter (Myriad)
#8: Nicholas Carpenter (Holiad)
#9: Jason Rowlands (Olis)
#10: Gavin Fry (Greenstuff_Gav)
#11: Dave Knowles (Kaled)

And this should be the play order:

Game 1: 1,6,7 - 2,4,5,8 - 3,9,10,11
Game 2: 1,4,7,9 - 2,3,6 - 5,8,10
Game 3: 1,6,8 - 2,4,9,10 - 5,3,7
Game 4: 1,2,5,11 - 3,4,7,10 - 6,8,9

Dear god, I'm a disembodied beard  :).

By my count, we lost at least two people due to illness and a few others due to bad luck.  If was great fun, with an interesting set of scenarios and a painting and modelling standard I found hard to mark down.  Thanks to everyone for putting the effort into making it a funday.  Loving the reports.

I clearly need to do a bit more planning next year - some slightly more comprehensive notes would certainly have helped my scenario, and while being fun, my warband did struggle to take (mesmerised) NPCs out of action on a couple of occasions.

This really makes me consider moving to be able to attend such events in the future, it sounds like you had a great time.

@Marco - don't get me wrong, The Emperor's Will contains a lot of really great artwork and, if you don't have other artbooks, then it's very good value. It's a nice hardback tome too. I'm looking forwards to seeing you turn some of the art into miniatures.

Playing this weekend and seeing other people's projects has really tempted me to abandon the Malifaux neverborn crew and Fairy Meat models I'm working on at the moment and do some Inquisitor stuff - it's been a while...

Quote from: Stormgrad on April 01, 2012, 06:52:08 PM
and the other being all about co-operation against a mutual foe (The Mad Tech priest Forenz Talor)

...and his crate of minions!  ;D

Unintentional comedy maybe, but it has given me a rather cool idea for a character...

Quote from: RobSkib on April 01, 2012, 04:10:24 PMWhich person owned the Tyranid models there? I have to congratulate him on his choice of colour scheme.

Credit for the Scheme goes to my brother Kered, who converted and painted the rippers, and did all the conversion work on the ravener.

Sounds like a good time was had by all despite lower numbers. Good to hear John Blanche popped by unannounced. The earlier lunch sounds like a great alteration to the schedule as well.
Congrats David, Nicholas & Gav for your various category wins and final positions.

Hopefully by next year they may have a FW Zone Mortalis table or two setup we can use as well as that Space Hulk one (wish that'd been there last year, would've saved me 5+ mins setup when I GMed - nevermind). Also hopefully I'll actually make it again next year.

@Kaled: I'm very short on artbooks, so covering some old ground is actually welcome in my case.

And I'm similarly inclined to be Inquisitor-ing, even though I was expecting that I was going to want a hefty break (probably Infinity) after all the work, but quite the opposite. My exhaustion however prohibits... well, anything really!

Also - yes, much mirth was had from Forenz's crate of minions. The thing that worries me is that I know it's not even past Forenz to do such a thing.

Quote from: Heroka Vendile on April 02, 2012, 01:53:37 AM
Hopefully by next year they may have a FW Zone Mortalis table or two setup we can use as well as that Space Hulk one

i had a look at the Mortalis stuff they had in the shop (while a black-shirt tried to sell a set or two to karandras and myself "maybe all the guys from the clave could club together?") ... was ideally sized (the walls are just at the top of the head of a Guardsman) but the amount of air bubbles was horrific!

Stand by for an announcement...

Last year's winner, Ruaridh 'Van Helser' Dall has kindly agreed to take over the running of the IGT. Much as I've enjoyed doing it, I am looking forwards to the chance to participate again. That said, I do plan to run an event during the coming year based on the idea of 'influence' and competing factions, so I'm not totally stepping back from organising duties.

All hail the new master of the IGT!

- Dave

Taking my cue from that introduction, I am indeed the new lord and master of the Grand Tournament (add evil laughter if you desire). Thanks are due to Kaled for organising the IGT for the last two years - he has done a sterling job in my opinion, and the feedback I've read of Saturday's bash seems to suggest the event was enjoyed muchly! I hope to continue things in much the same basis. There won't be many changes from the existing format, but if there's anything that anyone wants to say about the IGT experience, please add your comments to the new thread I will be launching in the near future.

Ruaridh

Just wanted to say it worked better this year with the earlier lunch and i liked the fact that the painting and modelling was judged by us as opposed to the GW Employees most of whom try to sell you grey knights when you mention the Inquisition

Quote from: Van Helser on April 02, 2012, 07:18:13 PMAdd evil laughter if you desire.

Why does it always do that? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gzQVjb1Y-M#t=4m23s)

Quote from: Stormgrad on April 02, 2012, 07:21:48 PMas opposed to the GW Employees most of whom try to sell you grey knights when you mention the Inquisition

That gives me a brilliant idea, but we'll need several people in Inquisition appropriate costume.

We send a normally dressed someone into the store with some way of signalling us. If the staff mention Grey Knights when that someone mentions Inquisitor, they signal us, at which we all storm in and "execute" that someone with NERF guns, then carry his "body" out again with the explanation that he didn't have the necessary clearance to know about the Grey Knights. We then watch the staff's brains explode.

Add a couple of video cameras, plant someone else to deliver the line "I didn't expect the Imperial Inquisition" and add the Devil's Gallop as a backing track, and you've got the makings of a youtube video.

That's a lot effort can we not just make bitchy comments anonymously on a certain internet based forum about there total lack of knowledge

The two are not mutually exclusive...

We could, but that wouldn't be half as funny.

so, back on topic (GW trolling warnings aside...), if anyone has their scenario in a word doc*, could they email me please?
i'm looking at collecting all the scenarios into a single article for Dark Magenta :)

*any notes / thoughts you'd like to add re your scenario would be welcome :)