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The Ordos Majoris - Hobby, Painting and Modelling => Painting and Modelling => Topic started by: Shannow on April 06, 2011, 06:16:35 PM

Title: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Shannow on April 06, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
I recently got some 1/35 gundam bandai models off ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140525996002&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

and plan to have them as a group of void borns who are very thin and pale, but I want to make them up to normal height, they sit about 50mm at the moment and I was wondering if anyone had tips on how to lengthen them?

I was thinking of adding to the abdomen just above the waist but I'm not sure if it would look out of proportion and should fiddle with the legs too?

Any advice is good advice; e.g. 'Never give an angry monkey a banana'
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: MarcoSkoll on April 06, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
Quote from: Shannow on April 06, 2011, 06:16:35 PMAny advice is good advice
- Don't eat yellow snow.
- An ordinance technician at a dead run outranks everybody.
- Don't whistle while eating blancmange.
- Eat a live frog for breakfast and your day can only improve!
- Never play Russian roulette with a semi-automatic.

QuoteI was thinking of adding to the abdomen just above the waist but I'm not sure if it would look out of proportion and should fiddle with the legs too?
I'd add to the legs and arms before the torso. Voidborn are often a bit gangly like that, and they shouldn't look quite like a regular planet born human.

Also, disproportionately short legs will give any model the visual illusion of being shorter than they actually are (because short people tend to have proportionally shorter limbs) so lengthening the torso alone may actually make the model look shorter!
Oddly, one of my tallest looking models is the WIP Maya. She's not actually the tallest, but I gave her proportionally longer legs, and with high heels adding to the illusion she can look several millimetres taller than she actually is.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 06, 2011, 10:04:17 PM
Upscaling them is gonna be a P.I.T.A. I'll trade you Inquisitor parts for those sprues, they came with a really expensive vehicle and I don't want to but it just to get them!
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Shannow on April 06, 2011, 10:28:25 PM
I like to think you eat a frog everyday now Marco...while wearing a jester hat...

You'll have to explain p.i.t.a to me backyard  ??? And I'm not sure what your saying about a vehicle? Just 5 figures with the gundam sprue

can't do anything with them till get back to Bristol anyway but thanks for tips :)
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Adlan on April 06, 2011, 10:38:47 PM
Quote from: Shannow on April 06, 2011, 10:28:25 PM
I like to think you eat a frog everyday now Marco...while wearing a jester hat...

You'll have to explain p.i.t.a to me backyard  ??? And I'm not sure what your saying about a vehicle? Just 5 figures with the gundam sprue

can't do anything with them till get back to Bristol anyway but thanks for tips :)

Explaining would be a real Pain In The Arse.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 06, 2011, 11:20:43 PM
They came with this vehicle:

http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN948085

Quotethey came with a really expensive vehicle and I don't want to but it just to get them!

I should have said I don't want to BUY it just to get them!

Nudge-nudge

They have to be around 52mm's to the top of their heads, to scale them up to GW's 60mm models (Barret scale 54mm) means they'd have to change proportions totally.

Why not start with some 54mm academy figures which will put you better in the ball park? These are too expensive, but seem to be a better starting point.
http://www.michtoy.com/item-PRS-63900-Adam.html
Historex makes a similar kit for a better price:
https://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=30362
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Aurelius 12 on April 06, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
Curses it was you who beat me!

I expect photographs of them though, they looked like they had quite a bit of potential as npcs.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: MarcoSkoll on April 06, 2011, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: Backyardpatrol on April 06, 2011, 11:20:43 PMThey have to be around 52mm's to the top of their heads, to scale them up to GW's 60mm models (Barret scale 54mm) means they'd have to change proportions totally.
GW's models aren't 60mm on average. The Eldar ranger is one of the tallest models, but still doesn't quite make that mark.

Also, I don't see that they necessarily have to made up to all the height of a typical Inquisitor model. Not everyone is the same height in the first place, but if they're all void born, perhaps they grew up on a freighter where the artificial gravity was above 1 G, stunting their growth.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 07, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
I forgot about bronze age:

http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/54MM/54mm%20generics/Male%20Generics/54mm-Generic-males-1.htm

Maybe a little more buff but definetly closer in scale, and Dave is a great seller!
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Myriad on April 07, 2011, 02:12:40 PM
Marco makes a good point.  According to wikipedia, the average height varies between countries by up to a metre at the two extremes.  Given the vastly more varied environments withing the imperium, and it's sheer size, you can easily justify unusually small/ large individuals.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Kaled on April 10, 2011, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: Backyardpatrol on April 06, 2011, 11:20:43 PM
They came with this vehicle:

http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN948085
I've only just followed that link and rather like that vehicle.  Does anyone know how big it is?  Is it big enough to work in Inquisitor?  It looks like it could be 40k-ified without too much effort.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: biggreengribbly on April 10, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: Backyardpatrol on April 07, 2011, 01:06:06 PM
I forgot about bronze age:

http://www.bronzeagemin.com/miniatures_html/54MM/54mm%20generics/Male%20Generics/54mm-Generic-males-1.htm

Maybe a little more buff but definetly closer in scale, and Dave is a great seller!

A quick warning about the Bronze Age generics. The females at least, for I have no experience of the males, are teeny tiny compared to =][= figures. Barely over 50mm, and only just topping the shoulders of one of the Devout's (one of the smaller and slighter =][= figures to my knowledge?)
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Shannow on April 10, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
I have been looking at the bronze age figures, and they do seem a little slight, BUT this is again covered by the above discussion of height variability I think, plus the sisters are wearing 8 inch stilletos  :P

I think I will order a few and have a play anyway and let you all know
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 10, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
QuoteA quick warning about the Bronze Age generics. The females at least, for I have no experience of the males, are teeny tiny compared to =][= figures. Barely over 50mm, and only just topping the shoulders of one of the Devout's (one of the smaller and slighter =][= figures to my knowledge?)

The males on the second page of the generics are good, if you go by the ruler next to them. I'm using them for Brood brothers; yeah, females are largely 1/35th.

QuoteI've only just followed that link and rather like that vehicle.  Does anyone know how big it is?  Is it big enough to work in Inquisitor?  It looks like it could be 40k-ified without too much effort.

I found this build story: http://fichtenfoo.net/forum/index.php?topic=6088.0

There are some pictures of 1/35th figures on the page: might be cool for a servitor driven hovercraft.  I might could dig mine out of storage if you need it.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Shannow on April 10, 2011, 08:44:09 PM
Many if them are crouching as well putting them a good few millimetres higher than the ruler measurement. I'm ordering one of females so will see how turns out, and thanks to an ongoing trade with backyard I should have an inquisitor model for a decent comparison  :)
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: judge-minos on April 11, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
Quote from: Backyardpatrol on April 06, 2011, 11:20:43 PM


Why not start with some 54mm academy figures which will put you better in the ball park? These are too expensive, but seem to be a better starting point.
http://www.michtoy.com/item-PRS-63900-Adam.html


Don't bother with these, I bought the female pack and they are really to small, too skinny and the heads are smaller then the sister repentia (which I believe to be the smallest in the range)
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Kaled on April 11, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
I like the models - they're very characterful and look like they could be 40k-ified quite easily.  Lengthening them to look right against GW models probably will be difficult but should be worth it.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Shannow on April 11, 2011, 10:46:37 PM
I'm afraid they'll never make it to inquisitor now, backyard made me an offer I very simply couldn't refuse! Hopefully he'll paint them up and show us anyway
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 15, 2011, 12:00:31 AM
QuoteI've only just followed that link and rather like that vehicle.  Does anyone know how big it is?  Is it big enough to work in Inquisitor?  It looks like it could be 40k-ified without too much effort.

Dug mine out of storage in the vain hopes I finish it:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P_T4bnYn0kk/Tad3-0yHHQI/AAAAAAAAAAw/gJhQAaDN13Q/s1600/100_2120a.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uPeIiHrPoq0/Tad4h4W9xBI/AAAAAAAAAA0/ek35lRue9kk/s1600/100_2123a.jpg)

I take back what I said, it just might work with Inquisitor...
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Kaled on April 15, 2011, 07:01:40 AM
It looks like a fair size for Inquisitor. Are to thinking of 40k-ifying it as some sort of PDF vehicle or somesuch?
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 15, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
Its actually for my weird war II in 1/35th. Im not fond of vehicles in Inquisitor except as background pieces or collateral to damage.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Flinty on April 15, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
Ah - that also saves me trying to photgraph the Machinen Krieger Melusine figure I got from E-Bay the other day (the guy in the suit on the left).

As Backyard suggests - its not really Imperial as a stock figure, but I can see that being converted to something like an A.I robot, some sort of Xenos tech, or a Squ... sorry, Demiurge armoured suit - although its probably a bit on the large side for that.
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Backyardpatrol on April 15, 2011, 01:07:01 PM
I think if you put those MaK figures on a base no one will be able to tell the scale difference! They are coming out with them in Kit form from Hasegawa early this summer, so you don't have to try an customize the vinyl ones (ouch).
Title: Re: lengthening 1/35 models
Post by: Flinty on April 16, 2011, 08:51:37 AM
QuoteThey are coming out with them in Kit form from Hasegawa early this summer, so you don't have to try an customize the vinyl ones (ouch).

Excellent - I hope they extend the range to some of the other kits currently in 1/20, there are some really nice concepts there.

Agreed! By converting I meant 'sticking things on' - any attempt at taking a knife to these I can see ending up as 50% vinyl and 50% finger...