I was tempted by heresy mins figure (autumn and several gangers), but are they in 54mm or 30?
Heresy Miniatures is all ~32mm.
If you're looking for a 54mm version of Autumn, it can however be found here (http://www.modeldisplayproducts.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=66_76&product_id=153).
Where? Iwould like her to make Octavian's lover, investigator and closest friend: Freya Johnson
At the red link on the word "here" in my last post...?
sorry, am posting via a black and white kindle so didnt see it!
Thanks for the link. I wasn't sure what to arm her with, but I did not want to risk spoiling the model? what do you suggest?
Luckily the hands are free. What kind of things do you imagine the character to have?
The model has a staff, but I did not want Freya to be a psyker, so what could it be? a badge of office containing a digi weapon?
A staff? That's a viable option, especially if it's her "formal wear", where no overt weapons would be preferable.
It could be a digi-weapon, but could just as likely be something like a null-rod. If she isn't a psyker, why should she be vulnerable to them?
I did consider that, but I feel she needs at least one weapon. edit: I can't find null rod in the rulebook
Are you saying you don't want to convert her at all? You'll find it hard to make much of her if you're keeping her as a stock model and don't want her to be a psyker.
The "conveniently completely hidden high-tech equipment" (e.g digi weapons/force fields) excuse doesn't really work with such a low tech look for the model. Sure, if you added some power cabling or the like for an anachronistic look, that would be another matter, but it doesn't sound like you want to do that.
She is a catachan so keeps a rustic look, but also octavian's public person and keeps her equipment hidden.
Also, I did not want to ruin a beautiful model by accident
Catachan women are more heavily built than many men - the Catachan populace are so heavily built it is rumoured (though probably not to their face) that they have some Ogryn DNA in there...
I'm not sure where null-rod appears, but it sounds like it would simply confer either the ability to nullify psychic powers, or would count as some kind of ward...
I don't plan to convert the model at all, so I could find some excuse (no ogryn dna) and maybe count the staff as hexagramic wards, digi-las and a staff combined.
Quote from: Inquisitor Octavian Lars on February 09, 2012, 01:33:24 PMShe is a catachan so keeps a rustic look
Catachan is not known for producing pretty girls - it's a death world, not a jungle world or a medieval world.
Being descended from only those that have been tough enough to not be killed by the planet and having spent her entire life trying to avoid the same, the minimum for a female Catachan should be like Vasquez from Aliens (
Picture link (http://cinemadiferente.zip.net/images/aliens01.jpg)) and go from there up.
Autumn is not, by any means, a suitable model for a female Catachan. If you want to use her, you'll need to pick a less hostile homeworld.
QuoteAlso, I did not want to ruin a beautiful model by accident
If you're that terrified of messing up adding a pistol holster to her hip or giving her some guitar wire power cables, then how are you going to find the courage to start painting...?
Quote from: Inquisitor Octavian Lars on February 09, 2012, 01:33:24 PMa beautiful model
Catachan women are not famed for their beauty ;)
I'd be hard pressed believing a Catachan woman would be wearing a long dress as well, I pictured them more as the kind who wear tank tops, drink pints of Stella and can break a man's spine in fourteen different places in under three seconds. That model doesn't say 'Catachan' to me at all.
I'd recommend stretching your artistic muscles a little bit and inventing a world where this kind of 'rustic' look that you're aiming for is the norm, and where the average woman doesn't have a string of ex-lovers' ears as a necklace. You clearly don't want to change the look of the model, so why shoehorn it into a setting where it's clearly out of place, when you could create a world that befits the model, rather than the other way round?
To echo the others, she doesn't look like a Catachan at all. I know that in your wirtings Lars has a lover from Catachan(I just remembered it) but this model would be completely unsuitable for her. It lacks the muscle and the type of clothing and equipment you would expect from a Catachan. The years would not have removed all that.
Sure, I will find another character for her to represent, but how do you recommend I create Freya? (should I sculpt or not)
For all those wondering where I got it, the null rod was from the old daemonhunters codex.. It's in-game effect was to render the bearer immune to all psychic powers. Fluff-wise, it was made of obsidian, which is supposed to be psychically inert, and have the ability to nullify psychic activity. Might be a special type of obsidian, but from the entry (it's in the armoury, so it only gets a brief mention) I gathered that it was just regular obsidian. In inquisitor, I would say that it counts as a fairly weighty staff, being made from stone and all, and gives the bearer great protection from psychic activity . Maybe not total immunity, but until you disarmed them, they would be very difficult, if not impossible to attack with psychic powers, similar to the null collar in the fanatic online lectures on the wych article, conviniently available from the Skoll archive.
I knew about them, but could not find it. I will look into a set of rules for it. Do you have any reccomendations for Freya?
For Freya I would go for some sculpting work on a muscled model. Catachan women don't look much different from the men. Only the face and some slight curvature.
I am still unsure of a figure, perhaps a few pointers from the 'clavers?
Your problem is that the vast majority of female models are of the beautiful shapely half dressed type - I guess because that's what sells - but it means your options will be limited. I suggest trawling through the links in the Modelling Resources thread...
Cool mini or not (http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/54mm-plus-category?limit=all) ... lots of stuff there. i'd find a skinny-ish male & bulk him out into a her for that Muscley lady look (http://images.google.co.uk/search?q=muscle+girl&tbm=isch&hl=en&imgsz=&imgar=&imgtype=&imgsrc=&imgc=&imgcc=&cr=&safe=images&biw=1024&bih=636&sei=_Rk0T-38EYjQhAexiN2VAg)...
http://www.pizarrominiaturas.com/product.php?id_product=11
BUT WITH AN AA-12!
this might work, but I wanted to run it past you.
Pizarro are good, I used their russian sniper for one of my warband. She always struck me as a Van Sarr, but sh'd be pretty good as a catchcan in an synthskin.
NSFW, but sculpt some clothes on her and this one might do well, she's pretty well muscled. http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/ky-ra-54mm.html (http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/ky-ra-54mm.html)
I would suggest a good start would be the 28mm ogryn model ;D
On a serious note, that Pizarro model looks good, and I almost used it for one of my characters, until I saw Salvager Belladonna from reaper, which fitted better. The Pizarro model looks like she is wearing a bodyglove, so minimal conversion work needed- you could swap out her pistol for that auto shotgun (which should be called "The Perforator"), and replace her sword with a staff. It's quite a dynamic pose, so if you wanted something stationary, you may have to look elsewhere.
And Adlan, you suggestion has a breast hanging out....
The EVA model, while nice, and probably usable as an Van Saar or other hive assassin, just hasn't got the Catachan aesthetic.
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There is the story of when I turned Sergeant Stone into a woman, but the less said about that the better.
The problem is, if you want a believable muscled female that actually retains some femininity, it takes a lot more than simply adding huge knockers to a male model.
I tried it with Silva's model, but it didn't work out 100% and I'm planning on redoing her at some point with the lessons learnt.
I'm afraid that she isn't entirely catachan, although, a long time away from home could explain the differences. It is a very cool model though.
I felt freya would be a lot less catachan-ish after 60 years and juvenat treatment, also, the model seems to click with her image. (I also love the idea of her using an aa12/usas12)
What about using one of the Bronze Age generics as a base for a sculpt? IIRC they're pretty well muscled...
I had a look, they could work, but I felt they were too small.
EDIT: also, what would you reccommend for an undercover octavian (like Kaled)
I feel Octavian would be wild west gunfighter style undercover.
Andrea have a nice range of wild west type models - have you had a look at those?
I know you used wyat earp for Kaled, but either him or this:
http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/_carro/AspsProductos/detalle.asp?IdProductoDetalle=86 http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=S4F30
http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=SGF145 with
http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=S8A2
http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=S4A11
seemed suitable
Don't Pegaso (and probably others too) have a range of old west miniatures? Have you looked at those?
Also, Historex is a good site to look at as it sells a huge range of 54mm models.
Sorry, I see you have now looked at Historex...
I found a good selection by andrea, also, the pegaso models don't fit my image of him.
I should note that those revolvers are 90mm scale. While that would probably work well on a Heroic proportion model (with the exaggerated hand/weapon sizes), it might end up rather out of place on a more realistically proportioned range like Andrea's.
my bad on the revolvers! Which from my list would you suggest?
This set would probably work though:
http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=S4A3
Of those, the "not Mad Max" model fits the 40k aesthetic best - the others are a bit too plainly dressed for the GrimDark, although Custer would get away with it if he had some mismatched and oversized shoulder/knee-pads.
(Not that you shouldn't add such a thing to the Mad Max-a-like.)
So not-mad-max with a revolver and a slung rifle was my plan. He looks rough enough that he would fit in undercover.
Edit: I feel he is too expensive, Custer fits the bill though.
The Max model may be a bit more expensive, but it's so much nicer than the Custer Model in my opinion.
If you want revolvers, either try the ASR for 54mm ones (I'd guess you're fairly unlikely to find any though), or see if you can find some from Necromunda - despite being 28mm, they're almost exactly the same size as the 54mm ones (not sure how difficult they are to get hold of). Or don't some ork models have kind of revolver like weapons?
Sorry, edited a post with a set with a rifle and revolver
here as well: http://www.historexagents.com/shop/hxproductdetail.php?ProductCode=S4A3
They are going to be small, very small. This picture shows an Inquisitor pistol, a Necromunda one and an Andrea one. You'd definitely be better off looking at 28mm bits.
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/Random%20Pics/pistol_scale_comparison.jpg)
gosh :o
I will require annother d.bloodhound head so I could ask arround for a slick revolver (actually the same as octavian's) and db head.
To be honest, I have got a 28mm van saar revolver on a 28mm model, and it looks fine. I'm not sure how it would look on a 54mm model, but it's probably a little too small. A 90mm revolver seems the perfect size for a mook with the stupidly big revolver from the revised armoury (especially at 28mm ;))
Octavian has a mid magnum revolver (.44) insert clint eastwood quote!
Quote from: Draco Ferox on February 10, 2012, 04:14:43 PM
To be honest, I have got a 28mm van saar revolver on a 28mm model, and it looks fine. I'm not sure how it would look on a 54mm model, but it's probably a little too small.
Well, there are different 28mm revolvers so I'm not sure which one you have - but if you look at the photo I posted, that particular 28mm Necromunda revolver is about the same size as the 54mm one - and in fact is slightly bulkier.
"I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? "
I have a necromunda revolver and it looks like it easily has the size for an inquisitor one.
that's the one!
Octavian has slick's revolver so it would be easier to get that set for the head and make someone else with the body and legs
I now expect marco to come along and say something about the .44 not being "the most powerful handgun in the world" ;D
Quote from: Inquisitor Octavian Lars on February 10, 2012, 04:33:39 PMI now expect marco to come along and say something about the .44 not being "the most powerful handgun in the world" ;D
If you insist.
The .44 Magnum was, at its development in 1955, once the most powerful handgun
cartridge in the world. However, it lost the title of most powerful handgun cartridge in 1959 to the .454 Casull - but the first widely commercially available .454 Casull revolver was not available until 1983, so the statement in the 1971 Dirty Harry was actually more or less correct, provided you exclude custom .454 revolvers.
Of course, his claim is complicated by 1973's Magnum Force, where he claimed to be loading his S&W Model 29 with .44 Specials (rather than .44 Magnums), which is a considerably less powerful cartridge.
I think I saw that same/similar reply on another thread involving revolvers!
that "Make my day"
So... in Magnum Force, he's firing Specials? Thats like going to Star Wars and finding its about a family dinner in a cave...
Marco knowledge, always the best, but always derails the thread.
Can we please get back ot.
Quote from: Dolnikan on February 10, 2012, 04:26:02 PM
"I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? "
Six. Definitely six. I happen to have brought rain man with me.....
And in reply to Marco, *insert quote about Pfeifer-Zeliska here*
The revolver I am using is the one from the juve, so it might be a little smaller.
Please, can we stop the revolver jokes!
Two revolvers walk into a bar, and the barman says "Is this some kind of joke?". :P
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Anyway, as Kaled has shown, a Necromunda revolver works well, but I'm assuming you probably don't have any of those.
Back to the original note of Heresy Miniatures, I have used their revolvers on 54mm models, and this is actually very scale accurate. At around 1/32 scale, Lyra's revolver (http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/MarcoSkoll/Inquisitor%20Models/CIMG3089.jpg) is pretty much bang on to be her auto-magnum.
However, I should note this will only work on realistically proportioned models and will inevitably look small in comparison to heroically proportioned weapons.
That said, if your plan is to buy Custer, who comes with two revolvers anyway, does it matter?
(Although I definitely agree with Kaled, the Mad Max is a much better model. More expensive, but you get what you pay for...)
Fair enough, do you think Octavian should have 2 revolvers undercover (held) or 1 revolver and a knife?
I would go for a revolver and a knive, that we he can also do some old-fashioned stabbing and throat slitting.
In the warband, Octavian is designed to look like the hired thug, with Freya as the bodyguard and his interrogator, Grace Carter (autumn) as the "leader".
That is a nice idea, it's always useful to not be the first target. I would still go for the pistol and knife, that seems like a hired thug while two pistols is much more attention drawing, which he would not want to do.
Sorry, I never disagreed, that was my plan!
Oops, I must have missed that, probably because my english remains rubbish and I tend to glance over important things.
You didn't miss anything, I forgot to mention equipment!
Well, I missed not missing something. Meaning that I missed something.
Sorry for the late response, been having problems getting on here.
Anyways, here is a 54mm reaper model next to some reaper dwarven axes (on left), and various other assorted axes of a suitable size for thrown weapons. The right hand axe closest to her looks like it might fit with your character. Also shown are some plastic space marine knives for reference.
(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii517/DracoFerox/54mmaxescomparison.jpg)
The dwarven weapons pack can be found here]http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/weapons/latest/14263]here (http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/weapons/latest/14263), and the reven weapons pack here]http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/weapons/latest/14293]here (http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/weapons/latest/14293). I only used the handed weapons and sword from the dwarf pack, and didn't use the polearms from the reven pack, so these could be purchased as seperate components via the boneyard service.
He was going to have a (special) Knife, but thanks for the pic!