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The Ordos Majoris - Hobby, Painting and Modelling => Painting and Modelling => Topic started by: mcjomar on January 09, 2017, 09:54:37 PM

Title: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 09, 2017, 09:54:37 PM
So for my first ever artemis repose (into something else) I got a cheap pre-painted marine model off ebay.
At least it gets most of the primer sorted for me.
I've got a lot of gap filling to do though, and I gotta resculpt the backs of the knees, and a few bits on the hip joints.
And that left boot.
Otherwise I'm mostly happy with the stance.
It is a little leaned back than I'd like, but I don't have confidence with messing with the ankles on these marines, so I'll just work with it as is - perhaps my next two I'll completely take off the kneepads as well when I do this.

However a slightly crouched/braced stance is what I'm going for here anyway, and I've got some GS work planned which should cover my worst offences, so hopefully it shouldn't be too bad.
Pics:

(http://i.imgur.com/5G6CWj7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wmh2XXU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WsJm6G7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IrkS7eA.jpg)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on January 10, 2017, 07:50:23 AM
Looking good and I'm looking forward to see what you do with him.

On Banus, I ended up having to increase the length of the thigh armour to make it look 'normal'. Otherwise there's just just too much 'soft' armour.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 10, 2017, 09:00:41 AM
Yeah, that's my impression as well looking at the knee joint. I'm going to have to extend it down a little to get the proper proportions done before I do the springy flexi-join stuff.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 10, 2017, 08:19:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/c8RyEvo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jQbMzee.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GuFgxcV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QtO28fx.jpg)

So this is my progress today.
I'd like to think I've got reasonably smooth armour for my first go.
I'm a little less happy with the soft bits, but again first time, and I'm thinking it'll get covered by a robe, cape, or some other such thing.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on January 10, 2017, 10:52:34 PM
Looking good! The soft armour looks good from what I can tell. The GS armour looks fine, if it's a little rough go over it gently with a file to smooth it done. It might be the angle of the photo but the thigh armour might be a little too long (just the right leg, the left looks fine)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 10, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Yeah, I think it might be just a teeny bit longer than I thought, but I was wary of cutting off too much.
Still, like I said, robes or cape.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 11, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nVvUaiQ.jpg)

Here's the current stage.
I've bashed him a bolt pistol, and fixed up his shoulder pads and arms. Still gotta sort out his other weapon, and give him a backpack upgrade.
I've decided on robes, so I'm using this tutorial as a guide:
http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/103-converting-modelling-green-stuff/2543-greenstuff-full-robes-space-marines.html

But I've got some airtight baggies which I might use instead to help get the thickness and shaping correct around the model, rather than the oil and rolling pin method, as I previously used it for leather straps and it came out okay for that.
I've been debating whether or not to use some paperclips as a guide for that technique also, but it might lead to way too much drilling on the model, so I've decided against that for now.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: TheClassyGamer on January 11, 2017, 09:47:27 PM
This is a very interesting project to me.  Someday I hope to do some reposing on some of my guys like that.  So far it is turning out pretty cool and I look forward to how this finishes.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on January 12, 2017, 12:04:28 AM
Looking promising.

Some dashing bearded rogue did a tutorial on robes on another Forum. http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/completed-tutorials/225250-green-stuff-robes.html
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 15, 2017, 09:44:35 AM
Here's some more progress on the mini.

(http://i.imgur.com/AutZkT7.jpg)

And at this point it's obvious what he is, so here's some more:

(http://i.imgur.com/slDK14U.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0wosuam.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WXtRxmj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/md41J0e.jpg)


I'm not entirely wild about the ribcage, or my GS skulls, so I may go back and repair that stuff.
I need to LGS his left arm to cover the gauntlet and elbow.
I need to billow out the robes and smooth them down (and also gapfill his shoulder joints).
I need to finish off his holsters.
I need to GS the chains.
And I need to finish up the backpack.
Also, his hair, followed by his hood.

I'm in two minds about the plasma pistol based on mini vs concept art - do I go with the current one, or do I try to kitbash using tau flamers as a base combined with the front end of a spare plasma cannon from the leman russ tank? Or do I create another using a heresy plasma gun/cannon as a base?

these two throw me off, because apparently they're official artwork? But the model has a more heresy era pistol?
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/e2/Cypher_Escaping.png/revision/latest?cb=20131228000637)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5b/Lord_Cypher.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131227103607)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on January 15, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
NICE!!

What are you going to use for the sword? Also, what on earth are those Green stuff rectangular things?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 15, 2017, 06:41:53 PM
The rectangles things are wrapped chunks of resin sprue for use as holsters.

As for the sword i don't know. But it has to be as tall as he is.
Part of me is foolishly tempted to try and sculpt it. But part of me is thinking of wrapping gs around a sprue and then sculpting around that.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Radu Lykan on January 16, 2017, 08:19:34 AM
I found using a basic rectangle cut out of 3mm plasticard worked as the basis of a sword, once you have a size you are happy with file the edges to a point. No green stuff needed :)
That was for a regular 54mm dude though, maybe use 4mm or even 5 for a marine?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 16, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
I've gone with 3mm.
Three sheets of A5. Hopefully I can use that to build up most of the bulk, and then attack the rest with GS.
I've also ordered some more Kontraros skulls (those things are brilliant!).
This will be my first time working with plasticard.
In fairness it's the first time I've ever reposed a marine, or done sculpting on this scale with GS too.
It's quite the education.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 21, 2017, 09:57:00 PM
Okay, so this is only a couple hours of fooling around (while watching Sword Art Online for the second time - dubbed this time), but I discovered that a pedicure foot thingy that is basically a rotary sander for your heels is still a rotary sander, and therefore fantastic for speeding up the sanding on 3mm plasticard.

(http://i.imgur.com/BOrUTvt.jpg)

The basic outline of the sword is mostly done. The rest can be done with GS. I used some offcuts of plasticard to do the backpack wings, again this will be tidied up with GS.
Michael Kontraros skulls arrived so I've decorated the bolt pistol with new skulls, and also done the backpack, as you can see. Oh and obviously used them for the first bit of decoration on the sword (I actually assume that's really the scabbard for the sword on the 28mm model?), with the rest I'll have to do again with GS.

I still need to redo the skull on the knee, and then fix the ribcage on the chest armour.
I'm reasonably comfortable with the backpack ribcage for now - I can always revisit it later if I need to.
Another offcut was used to make a start on some more of the plasma pistol, so that's now in progress for a more model-accurate plasma pistol.
I guess I can use my other plasma pistols for other space marine conversions down the line.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on January 22, 2017, 11:11:57 AM
Progress is looking good. I've seen some people use a Plasma Cannon as a Plasma Pistol so maybe give that a look into. It would save you an awful lot of work if they scale well as pistols. I think I have a couple of Plasma Cannon sponsons off a Russ sitting in a box somewhere. Maybe even a Marine one to.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on January 22, 2017, 01:51:14 PM
I've actually got a couple for that reason. But I'm doing this one to see if I can get as close to a 1-1 of the 28mm as I can.
But the alternatives are there if I change my mind
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Van Helser on January 22, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
The reposing work is top notch.  It's a hard slog to cut up Artemis, but it's really satisfying.  Your greenstuff work is coming on leaps and bounds too.  After a few goes, I am sure that the chest piece will look the part.

Ruaridh
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 03, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
Now this could easily be one of the best internet photoshop trolls I have ever seen.
Very, very easily.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/5rte5u/received_white_dwarf_march_2017_today/
However, this was included:
(http://i.imgur.com/mJvgwWp.jpg)
Take a look at the bottom left of the image on that page.
It looks like all my efforts to represent the current model plasma pistol are a wee bit pointless maybe.
I'll carry on anyway, and get it done, but I may make it removable so I can switch out for another marine scale plasma pistol also.


E: Alternatively...
New Project!
My second cypher, after I complete this first one, will be modelled after the new cypher model!!!!!  ::) ;D
Eh, instead of denying the insanity, I may as well just embrace it, and become one with the greenstuff.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 06, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
Here is a close up on the most recent Cypher model:
(https://i.imgur.com/MiD4y7r.jpg)

There is much about this model which makes me sadface.

First, he is looking ~through~ the ridiculous shoulder pad (why is that even there).

His pistols are somehow worse than the previous ones due to a) why did they decide his bolt pistol doesn't need a magazine, even though other 30k bolt pistols have them, and b) why does his new plasma pistol require coils that are even ~more~ exposed than 40k ones, even though some tech in 30k was actually better (such as plasma, this is in lore, I'm very sure about this, have they retconned this?).

And what about that cross draw? Can he even physically reach across around the chest plate of his armour? For both guns? Really?
("nnngg, nnng, can't... quite... reach it...")

Why does he suddenly have a special backpack so he can carry the now comically oversized sword (primarchs being that big is only a recent thing, previously they were only like an extra foot taller than the average marine)? His previous backpack and sword carrying style was just fine, thanks.

As to the armour, what, he couldn't have been scavenging from the dead corpses of brother space marines and repainting the armour? (HERESY!).


It's a pity, because if these details were corrected somehow, the general pose and updated cloak on the model alone still make it bend around to be good, so solving those details would make it fantastic instead. The loss of the long hair is also wierd, not to mentioned have the skulls now be embedded instead of embossed. But yeah, so much for a good model.

Also, side note. The hard plastic model of the primarch of my favourite chapter has a head that looks like Joffrey out of Game of Thrones.
(https://i.imgur.com/bwQJ0kf.jpg)

In comparison, have a truly beautiful model of the 30k version, with the helmeted head:
(https://i.imgur.com/8kANIOD.jpg)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: MarcoSkoll on February 06, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: mcjomar on February 06, 2017, 11:13:30 AMprimarchs being that big is only a recent thing, previously they were only like an extra foot taller than the average marine
Yeah, I have something of an issue with all the size creep.

It's sort of reasonable that Space Marines might be about 7 feet tall, as being bigger will make them more physically powerful, but that's not so much larger than humans that they'd be unable to fight in spaces sized for mortal men.
And primarchs... if they really need to be, yes, I can just about buy them being a head taller than a normal marine. But that's really on the limits of what I perceive as reasonable.

I know for a lot of people 40k architecture is is typified by its grand nature, and they might think that a 10+ foot tall primarch could easily walk beneath the massive ceilings of an Administratum building or royal palace.
But for me it's about the stark contrast between those vast buildings and the squalid rat warrens of an underhive slum.

One of my favourite mental images of 40k is a battle for a corrupt governor's palace - while tunnel-fighting regiments are clearing the governor's personal guard out of the labyrinthine service passages,  a pair of Warhound Titans march through the main corridors in a battle with tank units, incinerating millennia old portraits with stray shots and shattering polished marble floors.

A primarch who's too big to fit into a tight tunnel is a lot less use as a soldier - plus, a lot of their power is psychic in nature anyway, so their physical size isn't that relevant.

That said, the size of Guilliman's model means it just might make for 54mm power armour with a little modification...
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 06, 2017, 05:49:10 PM
Agreed.
I'm considering keeping the model as-is if I get just one though, as I suppose the background explanation will be something to the tune of him having been brought back dreadnought style, with him being more machine now than man.
But, y'know, at an obviously higher level of quality because primarch. Also apparently Ynnead-related shenanigans, and "Aeldari".
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 08, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Okay, so progress!
(http://i.imgur.com/evO2B5z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HRgW6G0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/r5ZXY65.jpg)

I just need to add rivets to things, attach the plasma pistol, attach holsters and backpack, and get to work on that sword some more.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on February 09, 2017, 07:59:36 AM
Coming along really nicely mate, The Holsters look much better, especially the Plasma pistol holster. The Skeleton on the back pack is great as well.

Are you going to go for a Black or Green colour scheme?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 09, 2017, 08:18:50 AM
I'm going to go for black, but have the edges of the armour highlighted in green.
I figure that Cypher probably was one of the loyalists, but over the years the green applied over the top of the black has worn away, and if it needed repainting, he just repainted it in the original legion colours.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 12, 2017, 11:43:50 PM
Progress report.
(https://i.imgur.com/lZ2gIuH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NyANXu8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6kA4tsO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EMJH4cS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OoYjxMV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lpNR1tu.jpg)


Just need to make sure it's all as smoothed as my current skills can handle and I'll attach the holsters and backpack.
Then i need to do the chain for the sword and do the sword itself and I'll be done.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on February 13, 2017, 07:48:54 AM
Wow, this is looking epic mate.

A few questions, the chain on his belt with the skull on. Is this finished? The Holsters as well, are these finished? They look like they could do with filing down so they look straighter and the corners more profound.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: KaptiDavy on February 13, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
Lookin' krayzeee!

Is that the base of scibor's witch hunter???? I picked it up a week ago, so I'm very curious to see what others have done with it
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 15, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
I'm honestly not very good with chain so I'm tempted to leave that as-is as I'm concerned I'll ruin it if i try to fix or improve it. As to the holsters yes they're a work in progress still and I'm  intent on trying to square it off before hanging them off the chains on his hips.

The base is the scibor sniper guy. But good eyes. I've got the dwarf guy base (the miner with pickaxe) and the hunter guy's base (that big statue head thing).
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 16, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iaBTX4y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/u0Y5Qj3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dwzh0xt.jpg)


A few updates. Chain on the rear to hang sword from is done.
Sword now has pointy bits on crossbar.
I've smoothed the holsters a bit and tried to sharpen the edges. The pedi machine did a reasonable job. Faster than trying to use a file.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 17, 2017, 11:32:11 PM
So I'm really inclined to just pint the holsters and glue the backpack on and focus everything on the sword, but I'm wondering if I should do anything else with the chains first?
Like are they good as is given the time remaining (I also need to paint this guy), or should I try and maybe run another strip of GS over the top and use my knife to go through it into the holes to add more links to the chains?
Or just not risk it, and get everything glued, pinned, and painted?
Thoughts?
Sword just needs crossbar doing, and then after that it's all rivets.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on February 18, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
You can always source some real chain from somewhere. You can usually buy it for fairly cheap and in good quantities from hobby dealers. If you want to sculpt chain I did a tutorial on it AGES ago here...

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/completed-tutorials/300754-sculpting-chain.html

otherwise, you could leave it as is and go back and re-do it later once you have figured out how you want to do it.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 18, 2017, 03:14:47 PM
Ahh nice, cheers.
That's probably the best one I've seen.

I was using the GS rope trick, and then putting holes in them. I guess I'll do what your one suggests for the bit over the top though for the links.
Once that's done, I think the holsters are looking good enough to attach, so I'll get those on, and glue on the backpack, then either do rivets, or finish the sword (including rivets) and pin it, and then do the other rivets.

E: I've ordered some metal chain, so if I still can't get it looking good enough then I'll just carve it off and replace in metal.
Which looks like exactly what is going to happen the more I look at the chain.
The chain will supposedly arrive in the middle of the coming week, but that doesn't give me much time to really get this done.
I'll have to really pull some serious heavy lifting to get it sorted I think.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 23, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
Okay, so the sword, backpack, and holsters are "done", and the chain has arrived (1.5 is 40k scale it turns out, but 2mm or even 3mm works fantastically at 54mm scale).
Now I just need to replace and rebuild the chain, pin everything in place, and finish riveting the armour plates on the arms, plasma pistol, kneepads, and I think that's it?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on February 23, 2017, 09:36:01 AM
Sounds good :)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 23, 2017, 07:31:10 PM
Okay I've never worked with chain before.
I'm using this larger (either 2mm or 3mm) for the belt, but I'll revert to the 1.5mm for the dangling skull.
I'm considering that probably the best thing is to use the 1.5mm for the grenade/holsters, and maybe the larger chain for the sword?
I think there's an excruciatingly tiny bit of chain on the bolt pistol also so I'll look at using the 1.5mm for that maybe.
either way, it has begun, belt first.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 23, 2017, 10:15:16 PM
Okay, so here's my next update.
Image heavy (ish).

(http://i.imgur.com/VQGlu2b.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HB4nq01.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IWvJYHK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lx9Nm1k.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZXEjIPy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/14o3SLw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1E4qYk3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kQhpRn9.jpg)


So all that remains is:

5 rivets on the right shoulder pad
10 rivets on the right elbow pad
8 rivets on the right wrist
4 rivets on the right hand (knuckles)
9 rivets on the left elbow pad
8 rivets on the left wrist
10 rivets on the plasma pistol

I think there's a rivet on the gorget so I'll need to do some careful GS work there to tidy that spot up.

Once that is all sculpted, I can undercoat this fella, and get painting.
Prime white, base black, begin shading with grey washes, edges with dark angel green up to maybe snot green.
Do skeletal bits and metals, finish up face. etc.
Wash, and then complete.
The list grows ever shorter.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on February 23, 2017, 11:06:08 PM
 :o That's awesome.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on February 25, 2017, 09:56:35 PM
Okay, so progress report.
Shoulder pads are fully riveted, and plasma pistol is just over halfway done.
It's slow because it's a lot of rivets, and I've gotta be careful to not squash 'em as I make 'em.
Bit of a pain in the rear end.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 02, 2017, 08:33:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/z0mwQeU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ijk8Wjy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5IduCeN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EJhZB1E.jpg)

Nearly done.
I think a little LGS might help tidy up around where I sculpted.

I maybe need to re-do the rivet on the underneath of the plasma pistol, but that's it.
Painting.
I'm going to have to work fast. One week left
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on March 02, 2017, 11:33:30 PM
Looking really good man. With your rivets, have you tried just rolling out some small little GS balls, letting them dry and then slicing them in half? It's an easy way of doing it.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 03, 2017, 06:43:41 AM
Gotta admit i didn't think of that.
For the sake of brevity I'll have to stick with my bolts for now.
Otherwise it won't be painted in time.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on March 03, 2017, 07:53:46 AM
No worries, I didn't mean re-do your work. I don't normally do that method as I use little balls* to represent rivets. Although the GS needs to be wet when you push them in obviously, or you drill a little indent for them to sit it and glue them in (FIDDLY!).


*From the inside of a water filter.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 03, 2017, 08:13:59 AM
That makes me wonder if I could use LGS as a sort of adhesive when applying those things to other greenstuff bits?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
(http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/AlternativeBL/xlarge/2013-12-20%2011.20.45.png)
I knew there was a reason everyone suggested painting black might be difficult.
This picture right here covers what I'm trying to replicate for my paint scheme (mostly) and damn if getting that blended look is next to impossible.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 10:42:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/d0QbN4t.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fiEGQis.jpg)

This is the sorry state I've currently gotten into.  :'(
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Cortez on March 05, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
Painting that cream colour is going to be difficult. But most models look bad in the early stages of painting, so don't give up and it'll look ok in the end.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 11:06:56 AM
My big problem is the black-to-grey highlight from the image at the bottom of the previous page.

I've trying to layer it, but it keeps looking like a brush stroke, rather than a highlight.
And I've just attacked the skull knee with a knife to try and recover the detail.
Now applying LGS to repair it before recoating
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Cortez on March 05, 2017, 11:22:56 AM
Do you mean around the armour edges?

Hard to say from the photo, but the skull on the knee looked ok to me.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on March 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
I find edge highlighting works easier with black than using the NMM approach which is difficult to say the least. Here's a close up of Banus to show you the edge highlighting....

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f36/LordBorak84/DSC_0084%20-%20Copy_zps2f8qzyb8.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/LordBorak84/media/DSC_0084%20-%20Copy_zps2f8qzyb8.jpg.html)

... all I did was highlight with a dark grey, then a lither grey in the 'sun-ward' facing edges and then finally a spot of really light grey on the corners of armour or the centre of curved edges.

As for the rest. I very rarely (never) start a light colour off with the main base coat. I know you use a lot of washes but maybe, in future, start off with a few darker shades before you go straight into the light colours. With the cream you have you can do a couple of washes on it but mix a little of the cream colour in with your washes as it takes the edge off the contrast and it blends in better. Also, a few really thin washes works better than one thick coat as you tend to end up with 'pools' on large areas.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 12:54:13 PM
(http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/AlternativeBL/xlarge/2013-12-20%2011.20.45.png)
Welp, I was trying to replicate this scheme here.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZxRRvLf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hBftIjf.jpg)

This is the current state.
As you can see, I've recovered some of the skull detail, rather than leaving it a blobby mess.
The blend has sort of worked, but I may take the easy way out and just edge highlight instead, like you suggest.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 02:26:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1zpaV54.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tBXXV9s.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pDW0f1n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o7iXNNw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/f4GxEMJ.jpg)

I'm trying to get that green edge highlighting going now, maybe see if it comes up okay.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 03:12:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0q5euMn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H6715EM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ylZEusL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/T6dyc4I.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XP0JAEQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/35Z7bS2.jpg)

Is it getting better?
It makes me feel better to see more colours blocked in, anyway.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 05, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LIDE9Wg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BAVZE79.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cckZz3t.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JxUOfhI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/C9PFS1d.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zKcvoY9.jpg)

Here we are.
Not so bad I guess?
Still got more to do.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on March 05, 2017, 07:14:58 PM
Looking much better. I really like how the armour came out. Well done.  :)
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Cortez on March 05, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
That's looking good now.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 06, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
Okay so I'm planning on having another swipe at those robes tonight, along with reviewing the rest of the armour as I think I'd like to leave the legs as they are for now, rather than fouling up something that looks pretty reasonable.

The guide I stumbled over that best seems to suit roughly what I'm going for is this:
QuoteBasecoat them brown (your choice which, but a reasonably dark one like Bestial or Scorched works for me)

Then paint over it with Bleached Bone, leaving only a little bit of brown in the darkest recesses.

Then wash the whole thing with a brown wash or ink. Devlan Miracle (mud) is probably your best bet here, although Gryphonne Sepia is worth a try to see which you like best.

Then highlight the higher/raised areas of the robes again with Bleached Bone, leaving the darker washed areas more intact in every fold and lowered area.

Then mix Bleached 50/50 with Skull White and highlight just the very highest areas; the very edge of the folks, point of the knee, etc.

Be sure to post some pictures to let us see how they come out!

Which I think I found on Dakkadakka.

However, when I tried the wash due to a larger surface area (I tried gryphonne sepia instead of my devlan mud), it came out a little blotchy, so I repainted over it.
I'm tempted to try again, but instead of repainting, just dry brushing to see if that resolves the blotching issue.
Will that work?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: greenstuff_gav on March 06, 2017, 08:38:28 PM
id start with XV88 then Karak Stone
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 06, 2017, 10:59:21 PM
I actually don't have either of those.
I'm trying for the warmer look as shown in the picture of the 28mm version of the model.
Gryphonne Sepia sort of works, but still blotches, even in thin layers.

E: I stumbled on something close.
Using gryphonne sepia as a wet blend with bleached bone, rather than as a wash. it gets exactly the right tone.
All I need to do is edge highlight with normal bleached bone, then extreme highlight with 50/50 bone/white, and I'm good?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 08, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Okay, I think I'm nearly there.
I'd better be as tomorrow evening will be my last opportunity.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vl0qDTd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ig2SeaZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2LsQNj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bgRXVNR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gmS0xSW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gfO8HGx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Uq2uJ1d.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iathZ7u.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DgBEqYi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DVyHwQ6.jpg)

Just need to do the face and maybe a few other details.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Cortez on March 08, 2017, 10:34:31 PM
The armour looks good now as do the holsters. The robe works too. Looking forward to seeing it finished.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 09, 2017, 07:47:12 PM
So I think he's done?
Or near enough anyway?

(http://i.imgur.com/K906DJd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7zcbgmY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3LxdnXN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jLpm07H.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H8p09jf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zaD1ozK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Yc0RqxS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tY7wpQj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cLcrsXI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LjqEclI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hMyP8MN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3ClUWOe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XAqm6nm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jgKo93N.jpg)

Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 09, 2017, 08:12:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1CVQ0PQ.jpg)
And once more with feeling - I think this angle really makes the model work.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Lord Borak on March 09, 2017, 10:54:39 PM
VERY cool man. The conversion and the paint job are all good work :) The armour is especially well done. Can't wait for Banus to trade some blows with him or alongside him.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Aurelius on March 10, 2017, 02:39:02 AM
Oh I like him!  ;D
The best is the shot of him blazing away, with much anger in his face. Must have just spotted a Fallen. Excellent.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 10, 2017, 06:28:45 AM
Thanks guys.
I'm very proud of that face.
I used the tip from DM1.
Dwarf flesh > brown wash targeted at recesses > dwarf flesh > elf flesh > bleached bone.
I had to redo the whole thing after I messed up the elf stage the first go round.
I also did a small thin badab black wash over wet paint for the chin and such to give him that stubble in imitation of the face tutorial from a recent WD article.
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: Nvision on March 11, 2017, 12:24:42 AM
Wonderful work on this!  Great sculpting complimented by great painting, worthy of one the Grimdark's coolest characters :)  How much time did you put into this, if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: The black project
Post by: mcjomar on March 12, 2017, 12:54:41 PM
Thanks!
Many evenings and weekends across the past two months.