The Conclave

I don't have time to write much (I'm supposed to be making dinner), but here's my latest model - a Calculus-Logi based on the sketch by John Blanche.  His body was sculpted, to which I added all sorts of bits from bothe the Inquisitor and 40k ranges.

There is NOTHING I dislike abuot that model :D

(except perhaps for the fact I lack the skills or confidence to attempt something similar)

I think the boots are my favourite bit, and I love the red tones on his tunic

Very nice.  Certainly looks suitably calculating, with various devices and aides.  Like the dark tones on the metals.

I recognise... two parts? The shoulder pads and the "iron sight" on the left shoulder are from the Ork Boyz set... the gun... do I see part of a 28mm bolter there, the forward grip? Gasmask - not sure, could be Cadian, or a Terminator face...

Most of the cane is from the navigator, IIRC.  The gasmask is from a terminator (I can't remember who did this first - either Dave or Nick - but it's becoming a staple part) and the rifle is partly made from a bolter, the front of a 54mm lasgun.

There's not much else to call on.

R.

awesome!
i specialy like that staff/measuring device.

Thanks - glad you like him.

I'm not sure I can name all the parts I used - his coat and boots were sculpted, his head is from one of the citizens with a Terminator respirator (I think Nick was the first person to do that).  His shoulder pads and the iron sight have already been identified, but I'm not sure where the thing on his other shoulder is from.  His left hand is from the Technocop figure, the cane is plastic rod, plasticard, a couple of BFG antennae and a little skull from somewhere or other.  His right hand is Dorian Black's, the stock of the rifle is from one of the booster back bolters, there's a bit of a bolter in there, the sight from a scout sniper, the barrel and magazine are from the Necromunda Enforcers heavy stubber and the end of the barrel is plastic tube.  There's a few miscellaneous packs on his belt, and his backpack is made from a Tau fusion gun, with a bit I don't recognise on top, then the sighting gear is plasticard with BFG antennae.  I think that's everything...

I was really happy with how he turned out in the end, but a day or two before the IGT I was in despair - he really didn't look good and I had to completely repaint his coat.

BTW - does anyone have Cherubael's legs and the torso from one of the Devout sisters?  If so, could they post me a picture of the two together - I have an idea for another character to join the warband...

Tied up legs and a corset? This should be interesting...

Absolutely incredible work Dave.

Nice. The boots & the sextant are the coolest bits. Not sure about the X-hair on his shoulder. It looks a little 'low tech' compared to the rest of him. The rifle is pretty awesome too.

One last question, is Kaled guessing the parts for Kaleds model? :p I remember the days of having a bits box with things I had no idea what were

Edit: I was going to ask where those wires led, then I noticed the back photo, now I understand

Raising the bar again Dave, incredible work. I saw him up close at the IGT, and I don't think this picture does it justice!

What do you use for your wires? I can never get mine looking so fluid..

Quote from: DapperAnarchist on December 17, 2009, 10:52:05 PM
Tied up legs and a corset? This should be interesting...

I have a great image for a model in my head, but as of yet no idea how to turn it into reality - I need a female torso and so far the sisters are the only ones that seem to fit my idea, or maybe I'll have another look around for some Atlantis minis...

Quote from: Sneak on December 17, 2009, 11:45:14 PM
Not sure about the X-hair on his shoulder. It looks a little 'low tech' compared to the rest of him.

That is intentional, and it's only ornamental really - he's just wearing all the sighting and ranging gear he can get his hands on.

Quote from: RobSkib on December 18, 2009, 12:10:36 AM
What do you use for your wires? I can never get mine looking so fluid..

It's just guitar wire.  For me the trick is to carefully curve it around things - just trying to bend it with pliars usually ends up with me getting kinks in it that look unnatural.

He is increadable, one of your best.

top notch dave. where does it end?

Very nice

Well, there's not much I can say about this guy that isn't repeating someone else. I'm very much envious.

Quote from: Sneak on December 17, 2009, 11:45:14 PMOne last question, is Kaled guessing the parts for Kaled's model? :p I remember the days of having a bits box with things I had no idea what were.

I'm hardly surprised. There are a horde of parts I have in my bits box that I can't do more than guess at the original origin of.

Quote from: Kaled on December 17, 2009, 10:25:18 PMBTW - does anyone have Cherubael's legs and the torso from one of the Devout sisters?

I've not seen the two together, but given the general slenderness of the Devout sisters, my guess is that Cherubael's legs will be too large for them.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on December 18, 2009, 07:15:19 PM
I've not seen the two together, but given the general slenderness of the Devout sisters, my guess is that Cherubael's legs will be too large for them.

That's my thought too - but I was wondering whether it'd be close enough that I could sculpt some slightly different clothing over her.  I might have to have a shop around to find a fairly naked female torso - I've a feeling some company sold on Historex does academy figures that might do...

Here's a quick shot of those pieces together:


The torso really is too small to work with the legs unfortunately.

Oh, and the Calculus Logi is pretty nice too!

Ruaridh

Ah well, Plan-B it is then...

Thanks anyway.

oops, pretty sure I commented on this before (but apparently not). The comment was something along the lines of. oh. my. god.

That's incredibly well realised as a concept and the execution of the sculpting assembly and painting is sublime. one of your better models i think Dave. outstanding.

Hi there! I had to post to this as my 1st post. What Ad said, Oh my god. That is just ........ wow. Not what I would have done but still wow

Quote from: dwi on January 05, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
Hi there! I had to post to this as my 1st post. What Ad said, Oh my god. That is just ........ wow. Not what I would have done but still wow

Thanks, glad you like him.  Out of curiousity - what would you have done differently?  Always good to get some feedback for next time.

Long gray robes with scrolls and other scribe like bits like pens, long paper strips with numbers on them, oh and his brain implants, and I don't think the nerd like Calculus Logi/Autosavant/Lexmechanic is going to have a sniper rifle :P. A pistol, a knife and mini cogitator would look best. Going to get the empire wizard box for mine

Quote from: dwi on January 05, 2010, 07:13:23 PMI don't think the nerd like Calculus Logi is going to have a sniper rifle

A Calculus Logi is supposed to be a human calculating engine specialising in trajectory, firing angles and ballistics.

You'd waste those talents by giving him a short ranged pistol. It makes a lot of sense for one to have a long range rifle - a Lexmechanic is only as good as his tools. (Sorry, horrible play on words.)

It's perfectly probable even that it's his choice to carry that rifle. I'm a horrific ballistics nerd, and if you want me to take a serious shot, I will choose a firearm that's up to the job - and let's be honest, a rifle is up to a lot more jobs than a pistol is.

Um no, a Logi is a fleshy mathhammer engine that is not meant for combat, often seen in banks and other places that need a human calculater. If they happen to be good at ballistic trajectory and scuh it's 'cause they find it fun (if you call math fun) but then I don't think a Logi would know fun or for that matter any thing like happeness or whatever and just use cold logic, in other words they don't have fellings. Wich means that if a Logi saw a sniper rifle he would calculate what it would take to use it. Sniper takes years of training, you must be fit, you have to have good eyes, you have to know what to do and when and yack yack yack. In short if a logi figgerd this out and as he is not trained for combat he would pick up the easyer weapon to use and use that (ie simple pistols autoguns, lasguns) sorry but we are not looking at it from our point of vue the the Logi's point of vue

I'd say a Calculus-logi could be either of those, depending on where he is employed.  One attached to the Military is very likely to be good at calculating trajectories and the like, whereas one working in a banking house is going to be adept at very different types of calculation.

Anyway, I'm happy there's at least one person at GW who's image of a calculus-logi matches my model...

I never said I did not like the guy if thats what your saying. It's still very well done

Don't worry I never thought you didn't like him, merely pointing out that GW have shown different illustrations of calculus-logi over the years and I based this model on one of them & your description seems based around another. 

Quote from: dwi on January 05, 2010, 09:49:10 PMUm no, a Logi is a fleshy mathhammer engine that is not meant for combat, often seen in banks and other places that need a human calculator.

It's well set down in the background that Calculus-Logi serve as trajectory calculators on the battlefield. To quote directly from pg15 of the Daemonhunters codex: "But their uses are by no means limited to civilian roles. Also known as Calculus Logi, a savant or lexmechanic is extremely adept at calculating trajectories and firing angles."

Some are banking calculators - but there are many who aren't. It just happens we have a Logi here who specialises in ballistics.

QuoteIf they happen to be good at ballistic trajectory and such it's 'cause they find it fun (if you call math fun) but then I don't think a Logi would know fun or for that matter anything like happiness or whatever and just use cold logic, in other words they don't have feelings.

Savants aren't (automatically) emotionless drones who can only do one thing. The media has very much corrupted what "savant syndrome" means to most people - a lot of people start thinking about "Rain Man".

While "Rain Man" is a case of savant syndrome, many savants appear normal enough.
Savant syndrome simply means the person has an area (or areas) of natural expertise that dramatically exceed the norm. The majority of savants also have a developmental disorder - but it need not be serious enough to prevent the person existing within normal society. You might find a dyslexic with a photographic memory - still counts.

In short, there are many savants you could be talking to and not have a clue.

QuoteSniper takes years of training, you must be fit, you have to have good eyes, you have to know what to do and when and yack yack yack.

You don't really need to tell me this. I work in ballistics - I already know this stuff, likely in more depth than most actual snipers.

A lot of sniper training is knowing trajectory, windage, etc - the Logi knows this far more instinctively, cutting vast chunks from what they need to learn.
In the end, there's no reason that a human calculator couldn't know how to use a rifle. I'm not saying that all can, but at least a few will be able to.

Inquisitor is all about characters who are in some way exceptional. If their extraordinariness is because they're a savant that has firearms training, that probably makes them pretty normal in the great scheme of the game.

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Anyway, the model is a good recreation of the Calculus Logi from the Inquisitor Sketchbook. And whatever you think of his artistic skills, you can't really argue against a John Blanche piece for 40k authenticity - it's pretty much his work alone that set out the basis of the Warhammer universes.

... and now, I shall stop hijacking the thread.

EDIT: Missing words.

It's also worth pointing out that this guy is most definitely not a sniper. Almost all definitions of 'sniper' include an element on concealment and stealth - something that this guy doesn't do. His augmentations and programming make him a great shot, but he's a long way from being someone who fires from a position of concealment - he wears red and is covered in shiny gubbins.