I've come up with a rought idea for my tech priest and want your feed back
Stats
WS BS S T I WP SG NV LD
70 40 140 55 70 65 80 60 60
Epuiptment
2 advanced Bionic Arms (Already shown in stats)
2 Electro flails(but as been adapted to have full control E.g can use like hands.)
Advanced bionic eyes-Advanced irisis(imuune to blinding affects)anf infared Detector
2 mechadendrites
Average Bionic lungs
While there's nothing wrong with the stats per se, there isn't much to say about them, as we have no idea about the context. Manipulable electro-flails are impressive technology, is he a Luminen? 70 might be higher than many would expect from a tech-priest, is there a reason for that?
Seems reasonable to me, though WS 70 might be a bit high for a character whose arms end in flails. Also try not to limit stats to iterations of 5 otherwise stats might as well be on a scale of 1-20 rather than 1-100.
Well you see this is where i need the help because i mainly enjoy playing the game and not making up its life story. I dont have much knowledge on the game and history etc. I just want a resonable character in which to play games of inquisitor with. I am open to suggestions
Quote from: Uilleam on February 11, 2010, 06:52:25 PM
, though WS 70 might be a bit high for a character whose arms end in flails.
But i have given it Manipulable electro-flails
Where does he get all the combat training to maintain a WS like that? Do you have any background about him so we could get a better idea of whether his stats are appropriate?
Well, as you've asked for help - short answer to "why does he have electrohands and ws 70?" - he's a Luminen, aka an Electropriest. They're a warrior cult who venerate electricity as the fundamental force of the Machine God. Look up Electropriest on Lexicanicum, and try the Explorator Article (available from MarcoSkoll, as always).
I dont have a background for him and i wouldn't know where to start as i have never read any thing to do with it.
I solo enjoy playing the game. Its just how i'd like him to be. he doesn't have any shooting capeability so all he has to attack with is is Manipulable electro-flails. But from the way i understand techpriests is they aint just your arerage humans and they live to be centries old and when they get old. And parts fail they are highly advanced and knowledgeable to replace old limbs with bionics.
Well, it's not much good to you yet, but I recall Kaled mentioning an article (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=494.msg6224#msg6224) he was writing for Dark Magenta on Tech-Priests.
I don't know when the article will be out, but based on the quality of his previous work, it should be well worth the read when it does.
Quote from: Loki1986 on February 11, 2010, 07:59:59 PMI don't have a background for him and I wouldn't know where to start as I have never read anything to do with it.
A background is important to a character. It gives you the justifications for... well, everything. Skills, stats, equipment... all of it.
You rather need to work out at least some loose details of the character to go very far with it. Particularly if you're bringing them to the Spring Conclave, as there will be elements of roleplay involved - you can't really choose which candidate you're supporting for the role of Lord Inquisitor unless you know enough about your character to know who they'd want to take the role!
In the end, you may not be as interested in writing character background as I am (I'm pretty fanatical about it at times), but in my opinion, you should look to have at least a few hundred words of background for any Inquisitor character.
It is after all, a
narrative wargame - each game is meant to tell a story, and anyone in that story who's more than a faceless goon should have a story of their own.
Now, your grip on the universe background seems a little basic - but don't worry about that too much. We can help with these things, provided you're not just asking us to write the whole background for you.
Quote from: Uilleam on February 11, 2010, 07:39:09 PMWhere does he get all the combat training to maintain a WS like that?
He's a techpriest. He just downloads it to his brain!
In my opinion the Ws and Sg are at the upper end (maybe top 10%) for tech preists, and the I is quite high too, though to a lesser extent. This isn't necessarily a problem, but these don't say who he is. We need some background fluff really.
Loki, if you send me a picture or complete description of your model then I'm happy to draft some background and stats for you which we can then refine.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on February 11, 2010, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: Uilleam on February 11, 2010, 07:39:09 PMWhere does he get all the combat training to maintain a WS like that?
He's a techpriest. He just downloads it to his brain!
"I know Electro-fu"
Have you thought of the model/got one already, as that's an important part of making the rules and background. I admit, just from the Stat's I'm picturing a Cool conversion based off of the Tech Priest, with Arcoflallagent hands and somehow doing compound, insectoid eye's.
Anythoughts of the rest of his warband?
Quote from: Adlan on February 12, 2010, 02:01:42 PM"I know Electro-fu"
Show me. ;D
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on February 12, 2010, 03:04:05 AMIn my opinion the Ws and Sg are at the upper end (maybe top 10%) for tech-priests
Well, as far as the Sg, I'd call 80 very reasonable for a techpriest. Take a reasonably intelligent type, add a few decades on the quest for knowledge, throw in a few cranial implants... perfectly justifiable.
As a general rule, I normally tend to stat my Inquisitors in the range of 70 to 80 Sg. Admittedly, adepts of the machine god are somewhat more plentiful than Inquisitors and therefore not necessarily as naturally exceptional, but to become a full fledged techpriest, you do still have to be the cream of the crop (the crop being adepts in general) and will doubtless have a lot of augmentation.
Thanks guys you have definatly given me food for thought. And i will post a picture soon it probably could be improved is was a rush job to enter a small campaign i played. Its basicly Gruss with his gun lopped off and arco flails attached. whats a tech priesty name?
I've had this particular disagreement with Kaled before, so I'll offer the reasoning behind my opinion but then say no more.
First, I think a helpful way to approach Sg is as roughly 1/2 IQ. This matches up perfectly both in the average, and at the extremes, though the distribution isn't an exact match. The important thing of this interpretation is that specialist knowledge is represented by Sg bonuses on a case to case basis, but not as an increase to overall Sg. Thus a tech preist's technical knowledge will give a bonus to Sg tests to an attempt to hotwire a car, but not for answering questions on botany.
That said, a tech priest will be smarter than most tech adepts who will be smarter than the average citizen. Sg 70 equates, in my mind, to 1 in about 200 people. This to me the area many tech preists might be in. However, at Sg 80 we are talking 1 in 20 000 people. This might be plausable for most tech preists if all of the smartest people were admech. Instead the admech values intelligence more than most organisations and so there is a slightly higher average.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on February 12, 2010, 11:26:49 PMFirst, I think a helpful way to approach Sg is as roughly 1/2 IQ.
That's one way to approach it, and a reasonable starting point, but you need to bear in mind what IQ is. IQ is a relative measure compared to people of your age (in fact, any test of value will probably work on age to the week).
Depending on the exact test, I test around the order of IQ 160, and that's something that will have remained relatively constant throughout my life.
But I wouldn't even begin to argue that I'd qualify for the same Sg value today as I would have ten years ago. I am far more knowledgeable and mentally capable today than I was then, and in another decade, I'll probably qualify for a better Sg value again.
Sg is more than raw IQ - it has to include "general knowledge" in amongst things. Anyone who has cranial memory implants and who has spent decades on the quest for knowledge will have a lot of general knowledge and mental reasoning capacity.
Ok thx guys stats aside. How do tech priests come in to the world. Are they born like normal People or built from donar organs(willing or not)? so i know where to start my background
Born like normal people - just within the demesnes of the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Every child born in such a fashion is tested to see how they can best serve the Omnissiah, and the most intellectually promising become Tech-Adepts. The best again may become Tech-Priests or even a full fledged Magos.
Whatever you do though, please, not another prodigal technical genius who's born outside of the Mechanicus and who later gets recruited in after an act of genius.
I Was thinking a social recluse Spending all is waking moments training or studing. Maybe becomin a magos?
I'd say most Tech-priests are social recluses to a degree anyway - their natural clinical outlook on interpersonal interactions and natural quest for knowledge will take many of them along that form of line.
You can take it further, but what you're talking about sounds like pushing it too far.
It sounds like a recipe for a character with no social connections, few allies and not much background beyond "Sat in room for fifty years becoming smart".
It's not impossible, but you'd need to add in other achievements around that - stuff like "Spent two years on the hunt for the elusive Asirael archives"*.
*Don't use this exact example though, it's directly lifted from the background of one of my characters!
I actually think the idea of "sat in room for fifty years becoming smart" would be an alright background, though I guess if you're that much of a social recluse you'd need to spend time letting your mind wander or wandering to different rooms or the like. I especially like the idea of "sat in a room for fifty years becoming smart, never really had any friends, sat in room mainly due to the fact he never made any friends because people generally found him odd and unlikable because all he was really interested in was sitting in a room becoming smart. He would have sat in his room for another fifty years if he hadn't accidentally got himself entangled with the experiments of the Magos next door, who managed to implicate him through proximity when the Inquisition came crashing through her door. He's been on the run ever since. He really doesn't like the real world. What he wants is a room."
... but maybe that's just me...
That's possibly a little too weird...
Sounds like Pratchett.
So that's what it reminded me of!
i really dont know where to start i dont like the idea of the social recluse anymore. If i eventually create a warband i want my tech priest to be the leader so possibly even a magos. Maybe he could be one of the super naturally gifted that quickly rised to magos. He was very skillied with flails and when he lost his hands in a fight he barely suvived he made some controlable flail attachments for his arms. Able to control them like large fingers.
Apart from that i dont really know.
Quote from: Loki1986 on February 15, 2010, 10:27:43 AMIf i eventually create a warband i want my tech priest to be the leader so possibly even a magos.
There's no need for a warband leader to be a full fledged Magos - they can be, but a Techpriest is a perfectly acceptable warband leader.
QuoteMaybe he could be one of the super naturally gifted that quickly rised to magos.
There's no real "quick" rise to Magos - it takes not only the mastery of a particular area of science, but also an unbelievable network of connections.
The Techpriest -> Magos relationship is somewhat similar to the Inquisitor -> Inquisitor Lord relationship.
Becoming a Lord takes not only decades of experience, but enough people who are prepared to accept that you are worthy of the rank.
QuoteHe was very skillied with flails and when he lost his hands in a fight he barely suvived he made some controlable flail attachments for his arms
And how did he make such flails without hands? (And for that matter, how did he avoid bleeding to death?)
Most augmentations on Tech-adepts are by choice, not necessity. While a guardsman might have a bionic arm because he lost the original one in a fight, a techpriest's bionics are almost certainly by choice.
Rather than "I need a new arm, because I lost the old one", it's a more likely to be a case of "I need a new arm, this fleshy organic one isn't good enough".