Here he is, my first Inquisitor character that actually is an Inquisitor (fluff/rules here http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=664.0). He is in pre-greenstuff at the moment, and i'm fully aware there are some gaps around the arms and wrists where i've reposed him, and switched pieces out. I also need to link the two chainst to the skull around his groin, as i've decided against attaching the chainmail loincloth piece for fear of it looking a bit too fantasy rather than 40K. Here is the original for comparison.
http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/market/AspsProductos/Detalle.asp?IdProductoDetalle=1152
The floor iis going to be painted up like bamboo to fit his samurai background. The katana was made from scratch using plasticard and was in fact the first weapon (or anything) i've ever made from plasticard.
Still I'd like to get comments on the feel and character of the model - he stands at about 56mm. Does he look oversized? or could this largeness be accounted for by his large suit of armour combined with being relatively tall? I've been told that Slick Devlan is one of the smallest of the GW =][= characters, so is the size difference acceptable? Anyway, as usual, all comments/criticism greatly appreciated.
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Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on April 10, 2010, 02:27:33 PMHe stands at about 56mm. Does he look oversized?
One thing that people forget to compensate for is the crouched stance of some Inquisitor models, which means they won't look as tall compared to a model that is standing straight.
Something like the Eldar Ranger, which people take as a tall model (at 58mm) isn't actually all that out of place. Straighten up Slick, and he's not all that short.
If you think that Petris is tall at 56mm, you're in for a surprise when you see Inquisitor Skoll's model. 62mm tall,
and he's in a slightly crouched stance! He's meant to be a pretty tall guy (which is why I started over on sculpting his model. Attempt #1 would have been too short, and I thought I could do better anyway.)
On that note, it'll be an interesting photo if Marco should happen to end up face to face with Zophar at the Spring Conclave.
Really loving the model so far. He does look a mite tall (even if Slick were standing straight) but I think he'll fit in fine.
While I like what you've done to 40k-ify him up to this point I would suggest adding in some guitar wire and maybe a couple mechanical bits (I personally think shaving the vent off the circular part of a space marine backpack creates a great vent that can be stuck just about anywhere to make an otherwise mundane piece of old-school plate look like it has a little more going on).
my first thought was:"waaaay too big!"
but then i recognized that he is just 2 heads higher then slick. i`ve seen people in real life that were taller.
(i imagine slick as 1.75-1.80 meters high)
over all, it`s a cool miniature. just add some more 40k!
bye, phil
Quote from: Alyster Wick on April 10, 2010, 05:26:42 PM
I would suggest adding in some guitar wire and maybe a couple mechanical bits
It's funny you should suggest that, as I was wondering that myself. However, his armour is only meant to be carapace rather than anything powered, and I wondered whether adding in wires etc... Might confuse how the armour looks in relation to how it works, rules and fluff wise. As a question related to this, COULD carapace armour be powered? Would this effect its stats? Would the power or mechanisation be to help with movement, enhance strength or what? I know a large amount of this will be 'it's a large universe, anything can happen' but i mean rules wise and fluff wise, if some plate looking armour is shown to be mechanised or powered, to what end would this work?
On top of this, if anyone else has any ideas for how I can make the character look more 40K-ish, i'd really appreciate it; i'd like to add more subtle touches which make it clear it's sci-fi rather than fantasy, but without ruining the feel and theme of the model (i quite like its 'old school martial' feel as the character himself is meant to be rather old school and martial).
Thanks for the comments.
very nice model. sure I recognise the head :P
In terms of scale he's about the same height as Eisenhorn (I have both models on my desk). He is definitely not out of scale. like the weapons you have equipped him with, looks rather swashbuckling/ heroic- sword and a pistol always look good IMO. I would agree with what has been said about wires and vents etc. Although I would personally be tempted to make him look like a sci fi character through paint-job. Have a look through the old necroumunda books/ images online and see the hazard stripes, chequers and other garish colours. Can work nicely as a contrast to plate armour.
cheers
Adam
I think the model works well.
Compairing it to the stats though, firstly he isn't wearing his hood.
I'd say that that armour is conciderably better than what enforcer barreta wears (though I tend to count that as Av 5 light carapace) and better than what the arbites and stormtroopers wear. I'd therefore count it as heavy carapace (AV 7) and would also note that it seems to cover his groin.
His armour isn't very samurai either.
I agree he could be futureified a bit, but wouldn't say he needed it. If you were going to look at powered armour then A S boost would be appropriate, but as he would lack the complex armour interfaces of the astartes, I'd say a Ws, Bs and I hit would be called for.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on April 11, 2010, 02:37:50 PM
Compairing it to the stats though, firstly he isn't wearing his hood.
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His armour isn't very samurai either.
Firstly, the model came with a head with a hood, but on reflection I decided that I prefered the head without a hood - i'm going to remove it from the equipment.
As for the fact that his armour doesn't look Samurai-esque that was done intentionally. All along, the character was done as a self-parody. I'm a westerner and have little to no cultural background in Japan or the Japanese and yet I am obsessed with Japanese culture. The simple fact is, in the background, the people from Petris' world never had any samurai, nor any real experience of them, and yet they were obsessed with the IDEA of samurai. It was a concept they loved but never understood properly - something I feel is common to almost all westerners who become enchanted with romantic notions of the samurai (although I am by no means being racist, you can have easterners who don't understand the samurai either, or westerners who do, it's just the common trend).
Petris was based on the westernised, american anime idea of the samurai, almost like a knight, but with a different skin colour and armed with a katana rather than a broadsword. I was actually surprised that it wasn't commented upon sooner that he looks very little like a samurai. I just felt that I, as someone who doesn't understand the Japanese language or traditions, and who has never even been to Japan, could never create an authentic Japanese character, and yet because I practice Judo and Aikido (and will soon begin Ninjutsu) and watch a lot of anime, I really wanted to create a character with those themes. Knowing he would never be authentic, becuase I have little authentic knowledge, I designed him superficially as an intentional parody. Because i'm a bit pretentious like that :P
Thanks for all the comments, criticisms and compliments.
EDIT: Just as a supplementary point, note that Petris' name cannot be expressed in Japanese - the closest you could get in romaji would be Piitorisu Kanaburu. I was going to write this on his base in Katakana - not Kanji. Japanese people would write their own names in Kanji, and Katakana is generally used for translation of foreign words into Japanese, and this was going to re-enforce the idea of him being foreign to the culture of the samurai (as is his clearly not japanese name).
Quote from: phil-o-mat on April 10, 2010, 06:05:03 PMI imagine slick as 1.75-1.80 meters high
Nah, Slick is slightly short, and would be even if he was standing straight. I'd say he's more in the 1.65-1.70m range (about 5' 6"), but as he's crouched, he loses about another 10 cm or so.
He's short - but not
necessarily quite as short as he's sometimes perceived.
Would it be reasonable to justify the presence of a few extra wires by saying that the armour has mechanisms etc.. to compensate for its own encumberance? So, because Petris is a high WS and I character he wears armour that has been specially customised to ensure that the armour protects him well without slowing him down (i would imagine the presence of internal servos, motors etc which are self powered and assist movement).
QuoteCOULD carapace armour be powered? Would this effect its stats? Would the power or mechanisation be to help with movement, enhance strength or what?
One version might include a force field of some type - against general impact or perhaps a specific attack, anti-laser, close combat impacts, higher velocity attackes, i.e. projectiles etc.
A 'power suit' that increases strength - increases close combat damage.
'Shock armour', generating a small shock/stun effect in close combat.
Fitted with an integrated medical system, improves toughness.
Fitted with sensors, scanners, mecahnical/computer interfaces etc
Yep - it is a big universe, so...
There are a number of things you could do with powered armor, the most basic of which would just be calling it powered carapace armor (same as power armor, just with 6 armor instead of 10 and less of a strength bump). However, since you're very enamored with the idea of samurai culture I'd say that you should find a desirable effect and have the armor mimic that effect. Perhaps it's legendarily advanced and has electrodes in it make the armor feel more like an extension of his own body (and this is transferred to his katana as well) making him a more capable warrior. This could confer advanced autosenses to him but say it halves armor values when testing for system shock.
Anyway, just a thought (and truth be told that doesn't really belong in this section). Either way, I am a heavy supporter of adding little gubbins to make the armor look more futuristic. Not that it's necessary, but I think it would definitely add to the character.
Right-o. I took on board the advice and decided to 40k the armour a bit. I cut out the centrepiece of the chainmail abdomen piece and used greenstuff to run cables connecting the leg plates to the chest plates. I don't know how clear it is in the pics, but the abdomen is now a load of cables rather than the original chainmail. I also attached wires connecting the shins to the thighs, and connected the arm to the chest (the implication being that the other connecting cable on the other arm is behind his pistol holster). I basecoated it white, the first white basecoat I've ever done, because I intend to paint him in light, bright shining colours (pristine white armour with shining silver trim, offset by a more greasy botgun metal for the cables). Anyway, enough of the rambling; on to the pictures!
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As usual, comments/criticism appreciated.
Nice work. Where does he put the stubber when he's not using it?
R.
Something has been bugging me, and I have worked out what it is. The sword does not appear to line up correctly with the grip and the pommel. Is this down to the photos?
If not I think just straightening it would improve the sword massively.
The rest of the model looks great. I like the wires you have added, esp. on the legs.
Quote from: precinctomega on April 13, 2010, 08:30:07 AM
Nice work. Where does he put the stubber when he's not using it?
R.
In a holster on his back hidden by the cape?
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on April 14, 2010, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: precinctomega on April 13, 2010, 08:30:07 AM
Nice work. Where does he put the stubber when he's not using it?
R.
In a holster on his back hidden by the cape?
Pretty much this. I was going to suggest he had a holster on the small of his back - not hugely impractical, and it may be good to have a more concealed weapon at times (although obviosuly if he did so it probably wouldn't be loaded with the usual ammo).
To be honest your question sparked me myself to ask another question which is 'where does he store his sword when it isn't drawn?' He has no sheath anywhere on the model. However, by this point, with the added wires etc.. I don't really want to clutter the model any more (besides which, i added his laspistol holster on his sword side, so there's no room to model a sheath). However, at this point I decided to figure that in that pose he is probably in some sort of engagement, most probably with a daemon (why else would he have his gun with the special ammo drawn?), in which case he entered the conflict simply holding his sword, rather than having been engaged by surprise and having drawn.
At some point i think it isn't unreasonable to say 'it isnt unfeasable to imagine he has somewhere to put his sword' and just go for the beauty of the model rather than risking the aesthetic (as i was trying to use a minimalist aesthetic for this model, which will be clearer when you see my minimailistic colour scheme of white, silver and red - except skin and hair for contrast).
Anyway, finished pictures of both this and my Praetorian WIPs may now be a long time coming, as i'm back into term time and thus work demands are rising; so although I'll be present at the gathering in Nottingham, my general clave presence is going to diminish until i've finally got my exams out of the way.
Quotewhere does he store his sword when it isn't drawn?
That was my next question.
If I may make a suggestion...?
Why not get a drill and make a hole in his cape about the level of his shoulder blades? You could then easily build the top of a scabbard emerging through the hole, thus settling the matter without having to disturb the flow of the rest of the model.
(Yes, I know shoulder-scabbards are an over-used trope and hugely impractical in real life, but it's better than no scabbard at all, IMO.)
R.
Quote from: precinctomega on April 15, 2010, 08:21:08 AM
Quotewhere does he store his sword when it isn't drawn?
That was my next question.
If I may make a suggestion...?
Why not get a drill and make a hole in his cape about the level of his shoulder blades? You could then easily build the top of a scabbard emerging through the hole, thus settling the matter without having to disturb the flow of the rest of the model.
(Yes, I know shoulder-scabbards are an over-used trope and hugely impractical in real life, but it's better than no scabbard at all, IMO.)
R.
That would also fit with the slightly tongue in cheek samurai nature of this model.
how about give him a servitor-familiar, who carries his stuff? Like a pageboy of European knights, but mechanical...
A Servitor horse, surely?
Quote from: DapperAnarchist on April 15, 2010, 05:14:05 PM
how about give him a servitor-familiar, who carries his stuff? Like a pageboy of European knights, but mechanical...
I love that idea. I may steal it for some character at some point! Now that i'm nearing completion of the model, I don't think the back story feels right any more. He was never meant to be a 'proper' samurai (as i discussed at rather too much length before), but the feel of the model is more like Arthurian, or like a quite literal knight in shining armour - so i may well redesign the character's story and keep everything the same, but play down the samurai aspect of him, leaving the 'samurai' aspect of him as more subtle.
It being a friday i decided i would take an evening off working - i knew if i had a half painted model sitting on my shelf beside Zophar and co it would drive me crazy, so i gave in.
Anyway, enough with my babbling; on with the pictures! (a quick note: i pictured this model as soon as i finished it, so the shiny bits on the cape are just patches where the ink is wet).
(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/Brother_Brimstone/Petris%20Kanabre/pkp9.jpg)
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Thanks for all the comments and advice - it's been really helpful.
Looking good, I enjoy the cabling and especially like the midsection, makes him look much more 40K. Good detail with the scabbard popping out of the back, hadn't noticed that before. The pistol on his right side is hanging kind of unnaturally (which I hadn't noticed before) but that depends on how much of a perfectionist you want to. For the record I think the sword looks fine as is.
Can't wait to see him all finished up!
Quote from: Alyster Wick on April 17, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
Good detail with the scabbard popping out of the back, hadn't noticed that before.
It's a new addition - I added it after PO suggested.
Now i've cracked the body of the painting, it's now an issue of tidying up etc... Which shouldn't be too bad time and difficulty wise.
Thanks for the comment.
EDIT - By the way, any suggestions for any details etc.. people think would enhance the model will be considered and appreciated; i love how great this place is for getting good advice.
If you have access to some Tau parts - the Fire Warrior backpack/power unit might look good hanging from his belt (or some similar small object)