Morning all.
Here's my first fully completed band for =][=. An Ad Mech explorer band hunting for the mechanical construct know as the "Hall Of Words".
And yes, I do read a lot of Raymond E. Feist!
Sorry its a bit long. C&C please. I have a feeling I may have "overdone" some of the equipment.
Cheers
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Magos Esus Io Pan - Magos Esus Io Pan is an aging reclusive Magos who dedicated his life to resurrecting and repairing some of the imperiums most treasured, valuable and long lost machines. A total devotee of the Machine God, he views the Emperor of Terra with some contempt, seeing the Golden Throne as only as another of the Machine Gods creations.
The path of Magos Esus Io Pan changed with the interrogation of wreak of the Martial Nox. The devastated spirit of this Warhound Titan spoke of the "Hall Of Words", a virtual construct where "all knowledge could be found, including that which will bring forth the Machine God". The though of this wonderous construct falling into the hands of a less devoted individual, Magos Esus Io Pan consulted the archives for years, piecing together clues as to the location of the Hall. Armed with all the information he could find, the Magos gathered a few loyal followers and headed out into the worlds on his quest for the Hall.
Magos Esus Io Pan
WS 70 | BS 70 | S 80 | T 75 |I 75 | WP 80 | Sg 90 | Nv 85 | Ld 85| Sp 5
Equipment: Shoulder Mounted MIU Bolt Pistol, shot selector - 5 Krakken rounds | Bionics - Av L&R Leg. Av L Arm Implant Drill (Breacher) Right Arm Implant Chainsword. Adv Lungs. Adv Head. Eye with Rangefinder | Flak on all locations but head | Electoos | Binary Cortex | Rite Of Pure Thought.
Special: Machine Empathy | Ambidextrous | Old machine (-1 yard movement, cannot sprint)
Electro Priest Govannon - Electro Priest Govannon is Magos Esus Io Pan most loyal servant. He was present during the interrogation with the wreck of the Martial Nox and is party to most (but not all) of the information his Magos has collected. Govannon is skilled in resurrecting and interacting with machines of all kinds. He is also responsible for the troop of heavily augmented Skilltari who serve the Magos.
Electro Priest Govannon
WS 60 | BS 50 | S 70 | T 60 |I 70 | WP 70 | Sg 75 | Nv 70 | Ld 70| Sp 5
Equipment: Stubber - Shot Selector, 5 x Flechette, 1 reload | Chain Halberd | Bionics - Av R Leg & Arm, Adv Eye w Laser Sight, Av Head w Inbuilt Gas Mask | Padded robes on all locations | Rite Of Pure Thought | Electoos.
Special - Left Handed | Furious Assault
Enginseer Ogma - Enginseer Ogma is one of Magos Esus Io Pan servants, conducting menial mechanical tasks, such as preparing rites, fixing basic machines as befits his rank. Ogma is not party to much information about the "Hall Of Words". His job is to follow, learn and serve his Magos. Ogma however shows promise and is honoured to maintain many of the Plasma weapons and generators that fall under his masters care.
Enginseer Ogma
WS 40 | BS 50 | S 45 | T 50 |I 50 | WP 65 | Sg 60 | Nv 55 | Ld 55 | Sp 4
Equipment - Plasma Gun | Shock Maul | Bionics - Adv eye with Digi-Laspistol & Bioscanner | Medipack | Flak on Chest, Abdomen, Groin and L+R Leg
Special - Right Handed | Medic
Forge Guard Nemain XXI - Nemain XXI is one of Electro Priest Govannon creations. A heavily augmented Skilltari who guards and protect the Magos and his works. Nemain XXI is not very intelligent, but can lay down a storm of fire should the need arise. He is a blunt hammer.
Forge Guard Nemain XXI
WS 50 | BS 50 | S 120 | T 65 |I 40 | WP 65 | Sg 58 | Nv 78 | Ld 64 | Sp 3
Equipment - Implant Heavy Stubber - 1 reload (Hopper) | Implant Power Claw - Exterminator | Bionics - Av L&R Arm, Av R Leg, Av Head | Reflective Armour on L&R Arms |Autosanguination
Special - Nerves of Steel | Force of Will | Quickload (due to hoppers) | Ambidextrous | Cannot sprint
I like the mini-fluff you have steering the band, it makes a good MacGuffin for the Magos to chase, and is a very believable goal.
I'd be a little concerned that the two first characters are absolute powerhouses compared to the latter two, stats-wise, and that the bucket-loads of Kraken rounds would make short work of most that they come across.
The firepower across the band is also quite hefty, though entirely in keeping with a Magos arming himself for an extended expedition.
The split of stats makes it look like the subordinates half of the band will be flattened while the other holds it's own, or that the Magos and Electro priest will wipe everything else off the board. It seems like half of them will be either well above or well below the power level.
And finally - consider taking 5 off every single characteristic and add d10 back - just so you aren't statted for a d20 system...
Though that's as much a cosmetic alteration for your sheet than it is a serious consideration.
Quote from: TheNephew on August 18, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
and that the bucket-loads of Kraken rounds would make short work of most that they come across.
The firepower across the band is also quite hefty, though entirely in keeping with a Magos arming himself for an extended expedition.
Thats a miss type on my part which i shall now edit, should have read "5 kraken rounds"
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The split of stats makes it look like the subordinates half of the band will be flattened while the other holds it's own, or that the Magos and Electro priest will wipe everything else off the board. It seems like half of them will be either well above or well below the power level.
My aim was to have a very old magos who overcame his ageing body with bionics. The electropriest would do most of his legwork. The Forge Guard's job is to shoot and be shot at. And the enginseer job is to help out and possibly die. He is a menial servant anyway......
Looking back, iv lifted the stats pretty much from the Ad Mech stats/rules with some minor tweeks to suit the characters.
Is it a case of too much equipment, too higher stats, or both? I think on reflection I should drop the Electoos from the magos at least...
QuoteAnd finally - consider taking 5 off every single characteristic and add d10 back - just so you aren't statted for a d20 system...
Though that's as much a cosmetic alteration for your sheet than it is a serious consideration.
Will look at that. Thanks. Maybe doing that will address the issue above?
For an aging man, he's very tough, fast and strong, though that last point would probably be due to extensively bionic arms.
In particular it's odd that he's tougher than his Forge Guard, a combat-only employee/construct.
I do, however, like that he is quite high Speed but low Movement - he's just as quick thinking as ever, but his increasingly mechanised body isn't quite keeping pace.
Most of the equipment is fine - the electoos links the Magos and Electropriest nicely, and fits with his interest in resurrecting old machinery. I'd keep them.
As I said, the firepower fits well with the theme, so it's not a problem.
The stat issue is one that you would need to resolve with your group - most of the Conclave characters have stats that average 10-20 points below the rulebook archetypes, just so the characters are not too good at what they do. If your stats are similar to the warbands you play against, then they're fine.
What I meant by take off 5 and add d10 was that it will make your stats look more random - blocks of 5s and 0s look boring on the sheet, and if you're using multiples of five you might as well us d20 instead of d100 dice. There's no serious issue there.
QuoteIn particular it's odd that he's tougher than his Forge Guard, a combat-only employee/construct.
That is a valid point and one that I hadn't noticed myself. Oddly. Perhaps I will switch the two stats making the Forge Guard T75 and the Magos T65/T60? Something for me to go away and think about.
Thanks for the feedback. Any more id greatly appreciate it. Now I just have to finish painting them up so I can attend the Oct/Nov meet!!! (hopefully)
Hi.
It's always interesting to see a non-Inquisitor warband, and the on going motivation of the hall of words is a nice touch.
I hear your concern that you have over stated or over equipped the warband. If you ask me, a techpreist explorator warband would be very well equipped, and contain some very skilled individuals, however, tech adepts aren't skilled fighters as a rule. I don't agree that Pan should be an expert swordsman or an expert shot. Ws and Bs in the 50's would be more appropriate. His T is very very high for an old guy, I'd be looking closer to 40, but maybe with 3 extra points of armour to a load of places because of bionics. He has very high mental stats across the board, I'd make him especially quick witted, exceptionally strong will, exceptionally brave or an exceptional leader but not all of them, especially as none of them are the primary traits of an admech character. With the binary cortex he should have an Sg in the 130 - 140 range, though I'm not sure that two brains would sum their intelligence, so maybe around 90 is right.
He has lots of kit, and so he should. I'd question weather it was practical for him to have both his hands replaced, particularly as he lacks mechendrites to manipulate things. I'd say the chainsword wasn't an implant, so he has a bionic arm that can draw the sword or do other things. How does the rite of pure thought and the binary cortex work together? I'd maybe stick with one of them and drop the rite, as the electro priest has it too. I'd give him a few more types of ammo for the bolt pistol, have you seen what bolt ammo there is in the revised Inquisitor armoury.
I don't think psykers go into the admech. I've never heard of an openly psychic tech priest, other than Litchenstein's one, and even he only developed it during a campaign when he met a daemon. So I'd drop machine empathy.
The Electro priest has appropriate physical stats, but his I, Wp, Nv and Ld are remarkably high.
Again I'd diversify in special ammo, and choose a more specific type of stubber (again see revised Inquisitor armoury).
Both your other characters have pretty appropriate stats, except that of all the characters I'd expect the skitarii to be the most capable fighter with a Ws or Bs in the high 60's or both in the low 60's. Also, he is smarter than the average citizen, I'd down his Sg to 35ish. As he lacks hands to reload I'd suggest than instead of having a hopper as a reload you just let it mean that the heavy stubber has more shots. There are two varieties of heavy stubber in the revised armoury. I really would have a look at it. I'd also pick up some magnetic shielding (under the plasma weapons) for the eniseer.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on August 19, 2009, 05:21:07 PM
however, tech adepts aren't skilled fighters as a rule. I don't agree that Pan should be an expert swordsman or an expert shot. Ws and Bs in the 50's would be more appropriate. His T is very very high for an old guy, I'd be looking closer to 40, but maybe with 3 extra points of armour to a load of places because of bionics.
Iv based Pans stats on the standard Magos stats in the =][= book:
WS 70 | BS 55 | S 55 | T 65 | I 75 | Wp 80 | Sg 90| Nv 85 | Ld 85
Looking at that, yes your right that his BS may be too high (esp seeing his got a bolt pistol). However the rest of his stats are pretty much directly from the book ( his S include the bionics)
I'm inclined to keep both arms as implants esp as Pans background is in recovering/going into wrecked machines to recover the machine spirits etc, the drill and chaincutter/sword would be used to go through plating and bulkheads. His model has mechadrite/manipulators coming out his back, I just haven't listed them as a "weapons".
However I hear what your saying about the rite of pure thought and the binary cortex.
QuoteThe Electro priest has appropriate physical stats, but his I, Wp, Nv and Ld are remarkably high.
Again, apart from his Ld, the stats are pretty much lifted straight from the Exporator Warband. On reflection your prob right that the Ld is too high, i'll drop it a bit. But the Electropriest is a highly skilled post so it stands to reason that his mental skills would be quite high....
This is all good stuff guys, appreciate you input.
Hmm, I see you are right about the rulebook stat line, however I'd like to argue that it is inappropriate.
While experiance would mean that an older Admech character might be a bit better at fighting, it seems absurd that a high ranking tech priest should suddenly become an expert swordsman, increadably brave etc. etc. I'd propose that the tech priest stat line is roughly right for most admech characters, mogos's maybe having stats at the top end of the random profile, and a bit more to Ld on top.
If it helps put that suggestion in context I think that the given Acolyte stats are about right for a powerful Inquisitor.
I don't think I'll be alone in critisizeing the rulebook stats. See what other people think.
Quote from: BeardMonk on August 20, 2009, 12:04:52 PM
Iv based Pans stats on the standard Magos stats in the =][= book:
WS 70 | BS 55 | S 55 | T 65 | I 75 | Wp 80 | Sg 90| Nv 85 | Ld 85
I'd agree with Cade in saying that the rulebook stats are often going to be inappropriate for a Magos. You don't reach the rank of Magos by being stronger, tougher or better at fighting than other people, so it doesn't make sense for them to have higher stats in those areas. Of course, that's not to say you shouldn't have a Magos who is a powerful combatant - but just because you've worked from the rulebook statline doesn't mean your stats are 'right', and often it would make perfect sense to have a Magos with stats very different to those in the rulebook.
As an example, my Explorator-Magos, Vaal Kryzak, is physically unexceptional (his bionics are not optimised for combat and mainly don't provide any in-game bonuses) and isn't great at either close-combat or shooting - his strength is his Sg. His two main subordianates, Tech-Priestess Orla Riall and Centurion Saphentis, are both stronger, faster and much deadlier when it comes to combat, and in some areas their mental stats are higher too (particularly Nv).
One question I do have, and I hate to ask it - how does Magos Pan perform his researches without any usuable hands? Does your model have any mechadendrites that could explain this away?
Tullio
QuoteOne question I do have, and I hate to ask it - how does Magos Pan perform his researches without any usuable hands? Does your model have any mechadendrites that could explain this away?[\quote]
Hi Tullio, we covered this on off here:
Quote........Pan's background is in recovering/going into wrecked machines to recover the machine spirits etc, the drill and chaincutter/sword would be used to go through plating and bulkheads. His model has mechadrite/manipulators coming out his back, I just haven't listed them as a "weapons".
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Inquisitor Cade, Kaled + others
I see where you coming from with the stats. I wasn't aware that most people though many of the profiles "in the book" were overcooked.
I think the general POV is that a Magos would be well equiped, inteligent smart and, (due to bionic augmentation), possibly tough. But NOT a weapons or CC expert. I'll have a juggle with the stats on this basis.
I imagined Pan's mechanical body being quite tough. Maybe the answer is addional armour on the bionic locations rather than beefing up his T.....
Iain
Whoops. Time to wipe the yolk from my eyes, must have missed that
Tullio
Quote from: Tullio on August 20, 2009, 02:27:56 PM
Whoops. Time to wipe the yolk from my eyes, must have missed that
Tullio
;)
I would list the mechendrites with his equipment, while we are on the subject. They are an important piece of gear for a character with no hands.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on August 20, 2009, 04:30:23 PM
I would list the mechendrites with his equipment, while we are on the subject. They are an important piece of gear for a character with no hands.
I would only list them if they have rules - i.e. add 20% to tests when interacting with machinery and give him a free improvised attack. If they perform neither of those functions then I wouldn't list them, but I would expect the GM to allow your character to use them to manipulate things in place of his hands. I only ever list things that have a definable in game effect, but if a situation comes up and something on the model but not listed as equipment looks useful then the GM should allow the player to use it.
Quote from: BeardMonk on August 20, 2009, 01:55:47 PM
I think the general POV is that a Magos would be well equiped, inteligent smart and, (due to bionic augmentation), possibly tough. But NOT a weapons or CC expert. I'll have a juggle with the stats on this basis.
That would be my thinking. If you want your character to have more in the way of combat ability, why not give him an Electro-graft to increase his WS/BS or to give him a combat related skill? It seems more likely a Magos would simply have the knowledge implanted rather than bothering to train.
Sorry about the brief format, I'm in a hurry.
I don't have the article(s) to hand, but presumably the Binary Cortex rules give guidelines on how to represent the increased mental capacity. Should that not suggest how to stat him?
Also, it is standard practice to write the strength increase of bionics like S50 (125), where the character's basic strength is 50, but the strength of the bionic arm is 125.
I personally think his mental stats are fine. His Nv is perhaps a little high, since he's not a combat character, but otherwise fine.
If he has mechandrites, they absolutely must go on the profile - since he has no hands, these will be incredibly important for interacting with stuff in game, and provide him with extra capabilities in game as well.
I don't think he needs more types of bolt ammo - he's not a combat character, so he probably wouldn't think to carry it. I'd like to think that the Kraken Penetrators are for 'putting down' any dangerous machinery Govannon resurrects - sentry servitors or the like.
Machine empathy sounds fine to me - either it can represent his ability with machines, and you can make it so he only uses it within arm's reach, or it can be a part of his calling to the Priesthood.
I don't know if it's still the case, but the last piece of fluff I read about Electropriests suggested that they were often quite manic fighters. Possibly his Sg and LD are a bit high, but I don't think it's a significant issue.
I agree with Cade that the hopper should double the number of shots, rather than be a reload option, and check out the Armoury thread, though I haven't myself. Maybe you could give it a Jam rule - firing it in bursts longer than X rounds is Risky, and can Jam the stubber, requiring Y number of actions for somebody else to clear.
HisSg is fine, however - there's no reason for Skitarii to be stupid - I'd expect the inverse to be true, if anything.
Edit: I like Kaled's idea of electro-grafted skills. It seems more likely to me that ballistics would be a more logical strong point for a techpriest, so perhaps that's the way to go. Also, certain combat skills could have technological stand-ins so that your aging and largely metal Magos can have sensible skills. Gyro-stabilisers or modified ammo belts/clips/magazines (I'm not down with the terminology, apologies Marco) and such.
Quote from: TheNephew on August 20, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
I don't have the article(s) to hand, but presumably the Binary Cortex rules give guidelines on how to represent the increased mental capacity. Should that not suggest how to stat him?
I'd say his Sg is far too low at 90 - the binary cortex boosts Sg by 70 and grants the
Heroic skill, but there is a chance of the two characters disagreeing. Which brings me to perhaps a more important point - a binary cortex is two brains in one body, so who is the other tech-priest? Magos Esus Io Pan should be two characters, with two seperate backgrounds that come together at some point.
QuoteAlso, it is standard practice to write the strength increase of bionics like S50 (125), where the character's basic strength is 50, but the strength of the bionic arm is 125.
Is it? I'd have said the standard practice was to just write the character's augmented strength in his profile and then to list the strength of the bionic in his equipment list - it's not that often you need to know the strength of an individual arm.
QuoteMachine empathy sounds fine to me - either it can represent his ability with machines, and you can make it so he only uses it within arm's reach, or it can be a part of his calling to the Priesthood.
Machine Empathy is associated with the machina-mentors (whatever they are) of the AdMech, so I wouldn't say it's inappropriate either, however another option would be to use the archeotech rules to give him the ability...
QuoteI agree with Cade that the hopper should double the number of shots, rather than be a reload option
I came to the conclusion that the intention behind the ammo hopper/
Quickload rule is that one load of ammos is fired off, then the character can automatically slot in the next load with just a brief pause.
Have you got models of all these characters? If so, can we see them?
QuoteI imagined Pan's mechanical body being quite tough. Maybe the answer is addional armour on the bionic locations rather than beefing up his T.
That's the way I'd do it, concidering that bionic limbs work that way.
QuoteIf you want your character to have more in the way of combat ability, why not give him an Electro-graft to increase his WS/BS or to give him a combat related skill?
I agree that this would be cool. Electro grafts are another wargear item in the explorator article.
QuoteI personally think his mental stats are fine.
I still think that the stats for the tech priest archetype are about right, they are high but not massive. While very high mental stats are possible, esspecially for a Magos, they would be exceptional rather than standard. Ld would be the one stat that would be consistently noteably higher in a Magos as they have experiance of authoroty.
QuoteI don't think he needs more types of bolt ammo - he's not a combat character, so he probably wouldn't think to carry it. I'd like to think that the Kraken Penetrators are for 'putting down' any dangerous machinery Govannon resurrects - sentry servitors or the like.
He does lead an explorator band, so would be prepared for as much as possible. I like the idea of a 'put it down' round, so I suggest he takes a couple of tempest rounds, as they are extra powerful and have EMP effects. Rare though, so only one or two.
QuoteHis Sg is fine, however - there's no reason for Skitarii to be stupid - I'd expect the inverse to be true, if anything.
Except that the background lists him as "not very intelligent" and so either this should change or he should have a more fitting Sg.
QuoteI'd say his Sg is far too low at 90 - the binary cortex boosts Sg by 70
I'd say 130-140, but, I'm not sure summing the Sg's is appropriate. I'd give a smaller Sg bonus. If two people work on a problem, the less smart probable won't be all that much help to the smarter one, in the same way that two people don't know twice as much as one, because much of their knowledge will overlap.
QuoteMachine Empathy is associated with the machina-mentors (whatever they are) of the AdMech, so I wouldn't say it's inappropriate either, however another option would be to use the archeotech rules to give him the ability...
The Archeotech idea is good though I don't have a clue what 'the machina-mentors' are or why they should have the effects of a psychic power.
Quote from: Kaled on August 20, 2009, 06:39:34 PMIs it? I'd have said the standard practice was to just write the character's augmented strength in his profile and then to list the strength of the bionic in his equipment list - it's not that often you need to know the strength of an individual arm.
Personally, I list unaugmented, split, and augmented strength under my profiles.
Silva, the cyborg from my warband has basic S70, and a S60 left arm, so she has a strength stat that looks like this:
Basic: 70
Split: 60/35
Total: 95(Actually, it's condensed from that, but to save explaining my abbreviations, I've not used them)
Reason being, I don't see that a bionic arm should confer any bonus to things like jumping or similar things (nor should drugs give bionics a strength boost), so bionics shouldn't be rolled into the stat-line IMHO.
It's for this reason that I find Magos Gruss' profile from the rulebook very annoying, as there's no way of even working out what his basic strength should be.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on August 20, 2009, 08:14:18 PMI like the idea of a 'put it down' round, so I suggest he takes a couple of tempest rounds, as they are extra powerful and have EMP effects. Rare though, so only one or two.
Very very rare. I'm not sure, but I have some recollection that the canon says they're made only on Mars. Seems a mite unlikely though that only one forge world in the galaxy would make such things, so I was a little more open with the description I used for them in the RIA.
But you should consider them at least a high Exotic or a low Legendary in availability. Even for a AdMech bigwig, they'd struggle to accumulate more than a couple of Tempest rounds. But Explorators would probably be more likely to have them than most.
Maybe I've never considered it a problem as I'm pretty good at mental arithmetic and find it easy to quickly calculate basic strength from augmented strength and the strength of the bionic on the few occasions when it's needed. However, now I've started using a character with two bionic arms I do need to update my Excel character sheet to start listing augmented & unaugmented strength in the profile, because otherwise determining how far she can jump is impossible. Occasions where you need to know the strength of one arm are still pretty rare though, so I figure the strength of bionics is fine in the equipment section (that, and it won't fit all neatly in the S box on my character sheet!).
Your system is better than the one TheNephew suggested - listing basic strength and the strength of one arms means you're almost always going to have some mental arithmetic to do.
Quote from: Kaled on August 20, 2009, 08:55:05 PMOccasions where you need to know the strength of one arm are still pretty rare though.
Depends on how you play. If you use the strength of a single arm to determine strength bonuses (for single handed wielding), then you'll need to know it more often. Injury of arms (to reduce arm strength) may also affect it.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on August 20, 2009, 09:10:08 PM
If you use the strength of a single arm to determine strength bonuses (for single handed wielding), then you'll need to know it more often.
I've never really understood why you'd do that - it implies that only the muscles in your arm are used to put the force into your blow. I guess it's a house rule that some people like, but it's not one I use.
Quote from: Inquisitor Cade on August 20, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
I still think that the stats for the tech priest archetype are about right, they are high but not massive. While very high mental stats are possible, esspecially for a Magos, they would be exceptional rather than standard. Ld would be the one stat that would be consistently noteably higher in a Magos as they have experiance of authoroty.
I never saw a problem with the mental stats for the Magos;
Wp=80 => Indicates a hardened leader, which doesn't sound unreasonable for a member of the upper eschelons of the AdMech.
Sg=90 => If a tech-adept or military commander is 80+, then 90 sounds fair for a high ranking member of the AdMech.
Nv=85 => This is the one I'd quibble with; I'd have thought a Magos would have a healthy instinct for self-preservation (and the preservation of his accrued knowledge).
Ld=85 => If 70 is an average soldier, then 85 sounds fine for a Magos who'd be used to command.
Quote from: Kaled on August 20, 2009, 09:49:47 PMI've never really understood why you'd do that - it implies that only the muscles in your arm are used to put the force into your blow.
Let's say Silva were striking with
only her natural right hand. Should the strength of her left bionic arm provide its strength bonus to the other arm? I'd say it shouldn't.
Okay, she has a lot of bionics and thus quite a lot of weight (although not everyone considers that). She weighs 298 pounds (a bit under twice what she would naturally be), and some of her natural S70 is because of the muscle created as a result of that constant mass.
That weight wouldn't necessarily give her right arm blows much of an advantage (particularly given none of the extra mass is in her right arm or torso) beyond that strength she's gained to deal with it - and that's already accounted for in the generous strength value.
And, I'm not entirely sure it's a house rule. There are a lot of suggestions throughout the rules that each arm has its own individual strength, and therefore presumably strength bonus.
But if you've got an official answer confirming it either way...
Possible solution: You could have it so that her left arm uses the full S95, and her right the unmodified S70 I suppose.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on August 20, 2009, 10:27:35 PM
Let's say Silva were striking with only her natural right hand. Should the strength of her left bionic arm provide its strength bonus to the other arm? I'd say it shouldn't.
Probably not, but just using the strength of her right arm would be wrong too. I'd say the most logically correct suggestion is the one at the end of your post.
QuoteAnd, I'm not entirely sure it's a house rule. There are a lot of suggestions throughout the rules that each arm has its own individual strength, and therefore presumably strength bonus.
Arms have their own individual strengths and there are mentions of when the strength in one arm should be used, however the rules make no mention of using half strength when calculating the damage bonus and neither is it mentioned in the example. That was the ruling on the Rules Questions section of the old SG forums anyway, whether you'd consider it 'official' is up to you I guess.
Quote from: Kaled on August 20, 2009, 10:42:48 PMI'd say the most logically correct suggestion is the one at the end of your post.
It'd make her blows quite a lot nastier (S95 on her combat claws? Ouch!), and it would then mean that there's no bonus for "unenhanced" people wielding their weapons in two hands (not
exactly logical... if I want to swing something hard, two hands are better than one.)
However, I'll look at trying the idea. But I've played it as the other way from the start. We'll see.
Quote...whether you'd consider it 'official' is up to you I guess.
I guess the answer on that one really needs to come from Gav Thorpe (or equally, a source that can be linked back to a Gav ruling) to be truly official.
Quote from: MarcoSkoll on August 20, 2009, 11:00:30 PM
and it would then mean that there's no bonus for "unenhanced" people wielding their weapons in two hands (not exactly logical... if I want to swing something hard, two hands are better than one.)
You're right, it's still not a perfect rule - but as with everything it's about getting a balance between simplicity and realism. If you wanted to make it much more realistic you'd have to look at how much of the force of a blow comes from each muscle group (and that would depend on the type of blow being delivered); and that seems like far too much effort when we're only talking about a small difference in damage.
Anyway, I think we've derailed this thread enough so I'm going to stop there, but I'm happy to discuss it more if you want but we should start a new thread.
QuoteHave you got models of all these characters? If so, can we see them?
Sure, they are in the final stages of building / being basecoated. I'll get them uploaded over the weekend.
QuoteI would only list them if they have rules - i.e. add 20% to tests when interacting with machinery and give him a free improvised attack. If they perform neither of those functions then I wouldn't list them, but I would expect the GM to allow your character to use them to manipulate things in place of his hands.
The "mechendrites" the magos has serves as his hands, nothing more. They don't give him extra attacks etc. I thought that with two implant cutting weapons/arms, he probably had enough cc attacks.
Quotea binary cortex is two brains in one body, so who is the other tech-priest?
I have some extra "fluff" to write i feel.......