The Conclave

An idea consistently brought forward here is the suggestion of maybe making some kind of official Conclave T-shirt for wearing at events, which both identifies us as Clavers and has our individual names on, so that we dont have to be politely socially awkward all day trying to recall who it is we're trying to get the attention of (and so that the newbies know whose name they need to call when they want their GM's attention (beyond which, it's just kind of a fun idea!)

After re-reading the 2011 IGT thread and seeing Marco suggesting it again, i realised that i'm now in almost the perfect position t sort this. My girlfriends parents own a clothing store and are fully capable of printing and embroiding t-shirts. As this realisation hit me like a tonne of bricks, i realised this might be my opportunity to give something back to the Clave regulars, after all they've done to help get me into the hobby!

I'm not looking to operate at a profit at all, but obviously we'll have to cover the costs to my girlfriend's parents and the cost of postage. If i were to give a complete guess, i would put it at being about a tenner if we want a printed logo. but cheaper if you just want embroidery (as they have an in-store embroiderer with which i'm proficient so i can personally embroider them!)

Basically, I'm looking to get an idea of whether anyone would be interested in this, if so how many, and what design you would want (i'm the last person in the world you want doing the designing, but i can look to implement any designs you might suggest, although obviously the simpler the cheaper and more likely we can actually do it!)

Be sure to share any thoughts on the subject you might have!

Didn't Gav have a 'clave t-shirt at the last meet? I'm sure there was a picture of it from the day, but I can't find it. I'm sure we could use that for inspiration.

Would it be extra to have something on the front and the back? I was thinking a real name/username split...

Ooooh; if so, then we have a decent starting point!

There are several ways of doing it, depending on how detailed people want this. If you want a full =][= logo of the sort at the top of the Clave, that would probably need to be printed, as it's too complex for embroidering, and so i don't think it costs any extra to position what you want where. We could either get a small one on the breast with this idea, or a medium sized logo on the back (and there may be a cost difference regarding size, but not a huge one)., and then names printed wherever we like.

If we we just wanted a very basic black tee with a red =][= on it, we may well be able to embroider that, reducing overall cost, and then it really wouldn't matter where the name and username are, as we can embroider them anywhere.

I can't be too exact, as i can't really ask for a quote until i know most impotantly, whether anyone thinks this would be a good idea, and secondly, if so, what number we'd be lookng to do, as if there's ony a scarce few, it may not be worth doing.

Another question, possibly becoming problem is regarding the copyright status of =][=. Are we okay to use it, or is it more rocky ground?

Quote from: RobSkib on December 13, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
Didn't Gav have a 'clave t-shirt at the last meet? I'm sure there was a picture of it from the day, but I can't find it. I'm sure we could use that for inspiration.

Would it be extra to have something on the front and the back? I was thinking a real name/username split...

here's the demo i knocked up; £19 each from a local place.
as my artistic skills are somewhat lacking (and noone can remember who made the image in the first place; we don't have a higher res version :( ) it was mentioned by a couple of people they would look at doing a better version but nothing appeared...

(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/files/clave_t.jpg)

i did get the back logo done on an actual shirt as then it matched my Top Hat :D

Front Image (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/files/clave_front.jpg)
Back Image (http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/files/clave_back.jpg)

My girlfriend reckons we could embroider that in-store, and it'd EASILY be cheaper than 19 quid. For something like that, it'd probably be closer to a tenner, although like i say, i'd need to gauge interest first, to ensure it's worth the time and effort of making embroiderer patterns out of the designs.

EDIT: I've spoken to her dad, who is more of an expert in these things, and he thinks that unless we'd want to simplify things a bit more, we'd be better printing. Would cost a bit more, but would still most likely be under £19.

Well I can personally guarantee I'd get one myself, along with another potential half-dozen or so, depending on who I can round up for the next 'clave gathering.

Would it still be possible to have IRL names on the front and usernames on the back?

I'd rather on the front it just had the logo and my name rather than the Inquisitorial Representative box, but I'd buy one with any design along those lines.  The design for the back looks great and, if I remember rightly, it scaled up okay for Gav's shirt. I'd also be happy with one that just had the Conclave logo on the front with my real/user name. Or a simplified embroidered Conclave logo and wording would be fine too.

Also, if we're having our names printed on them how about we get one with a custom title for the winner of the IGT?

so, I Found My original Quotes (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11.msg19824#msg19824) :)
i think screen printing is the way to go; emboridery looks nicer, but is limited on blending / detail (or was when i worked for Dickies!)
my shirtwas done by these guys (http://tshirtprint.co.uk/pricing-information) :)

i like the idea of screen printed back logo as is (i'll find a camera; i got a shirt and a hoodie done :D ) and Kaleds' suggestion of just the ][ with user / real name (according to the individuals choice; some people don't like sharing "real" names!)

I think I prefer it Kaled's way - the "Inquisitorial representative" box is a little less slick.

As far as name, if it comes down to an either or, I can go either way. Username is probably easier, as I'm fine with being called Marco at events - it does mean fewer Daves to confuse, it'll avoid identity confusion and it saves on having to explain that I didn't direct Fight Club.

If necessary, it wouldn't be difficult to create a vector version of the Conclave Logo, although given my talent for procrastination, I'd suggest I'd be a poor candidate for that job.

Right-o, well at the moment, there's only been about 5 (Marco, Kaled, Rob, Gav and myself) showing any interest in this, and obviously with a number that small it probably wouldn;t be worth it, so before we go any further down the route of planning how we could do this, it would probably be an idea to gauge interest from the Clave community at large to find out whether it would be worth doing at all.

(it's kind of a difficult situation here; people won't be sure whether they want one unless they have a price and a design to consider, but I can't give a price or work out the best design choices until I know how many people are interested!)

In a no-obligation kind of way, and just for purposes of trying to get a rough idea of numbers for a quote in my head, i'd be very grateful if everyone who reckons they'd want one could post in just to say so, and then i at least have something to go off. As i say, i'm not going to be making a profit here, but i'm a poor student and can't afford to make a loss. I can't order more than I can sell, but if there are very few of us, we won't benefit from economies of scale, and so it becomes slightly not-worth-it.

Sign me up.

Ruaridh

I'd be interested too. Depending on the price of course.

definitely would want one, but I am with MarcoSkoll and Kaled on just the logo and the name on the front, and reckon the usernames is more convenient; the identity is more unique than 'dave' , 'fred' etc, so would lead to less confusion

Quote from: Mordenkenain on December 19, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
reckon the usernames is more convenient; the identity is more unique than 'dave' , 'fred' etc, so would lead to less confusion

I'd rather have both, perhaps one on the front the other on the back. I'd rather people use my real name when we meet in real life (although I'd still answer if people call me Kaled).

I'm in no way vying for creative control over this, and would much rather leave design to those better qualified in it, but the cheapest and easiest way would be as follows (but not necessarily most attractive).

We could embroider a simplified version of the Clave logo on the left side of the chest with a username and real name embroidered on the right. This would eliminate the need for printing and thus reduce cost and effort.

However, this means that the big fancy logo would not be on the back, and i don't know whether a t-shirt thus simplified would be considered by all as being a great investment, as its iconography is somewhat more subtle.

Just another factor for consideration.

To be honest, I'd prefer the full logo, provided it's not at some huge additional expense. As it'd be to help promote the forum at events, subtlety is rather counter productive!

I agree with Kaled on the name front. I would go for my real name on the front, and the conclave logo and a name that you choose on the back, maybe with the conclave I on the front with the name. I'd have to save for a bit, as cash is a bit tight around christmas for me, but I'd definitely be interested when I can scrape together the money.

Likewise sign me up

I'm tentatively interested...

I know I don't really contribute much to this community these days (other than paying for the domain name), but I dug through the spider-infested archives of the inbox on my old abandoned email account to try to assist in this topic.

The logo and banner was designed in March 2008 by Scott Johnston (http://jnstn.com/) who approached me after I flagged for a need of graphic design folks for Dark Magenta and the New New Conclave.

Sadly, I don't have any higher resolution versions of the image, or any vector files. Scott might, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

well, i've had a play about and made this:

(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/webdesign/conclave/icon.jpg)

could see that on the right breast, the player / 'clave name slightly to the right of it, the "normal" conclave logo on the back?

I like that idea, I think it works.

I agree, that plan sound good to me.

Bumpity bump.

Has this progressed at all? I'd like to get one myself and a few others for mates before the IGT in march. I don't know how long these take to turn around, so I'd  mostly like to get my order in before I run out of money towards the end of term. :)

if everyone's happy with the one i had (so printed) i'll contact Jeanette at T-Shirt Print for a solid quote; we can then get a list of names and i'll get things ordered...

EDIT: so, solid, definite list of people who'd be interested ('bout £20 a T-Shirt as i recall)

1: Gav

So long as it's the "[New INQ Logo] on the right breast, the player / 'clave name slightly to the right of it, the "normal" conclave logo on the back" design, You can put me down as a definite, with at least an additional +2 (maybe as many as +5, but +2 minimum) for chums who attend the 'Clave events, but not the forums.

You can add me to that list too.

1: Gav
2: Rob
3: +1
4: +2
5: Dave (or would you rather Kaled?)

You can add me too.

Ruaridh

Quote from: greenstuff_gav on January 22, 2012, 03:33:47 PM
5: Dave (or would you rather Kaled?)

If I have to choose then Dave, but could we have both?  Something like this;
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/Random%20Pics/dave_kaled.jpg)

I'm guessing the answer is 'no', but I thought I'd ask...

And you can add me to the list

I'd like to see a mock-up of exactly what I'm agreeing to, but if it's essentially as Rob said, then I would like to be on the list too.

Id be up for getting shirty!

Sorry; not trying to make a pointless bump, but seeing as people are still registering interest, I thought i'd just say - while my 'Clave activity may quieten for a while (it being a hectic term at uni for me now), i'm not neglecting this idea, and all ideas and interest will be taken into account!

Info updates will occur as I acquire more info, but don't feel as though i've just started this and then let it die!

Thought I'd give this a wee nudge as we're under 8 weeks away from the IGT, which would be the ideal event to have our t shirts ready for!

Ruaridh

Yes, T-shirts please.

While I agree that would be ideal, if it's t-shirts for IGT you want, i'm afraid it'll have to be by someone other than myself, as unfortunately I don't think i'm going to be able to make the IGT this year.

Sorry!

Afternoon all,

On a related note, I had these badges made up for me.  I was too late in ordering them to get them in time for the IGT, but I'll be wearing them at future events.


They're just less than an inch across and cost me about £1.50 each (inc. P&P).  I was thinking of ordering a whole load then selling them, but it's probably easier for anyone who wants one to order it themselves.  These are actually the second set I had made, I wasn't happy with the first set as the designs were off-centre and the print quality was not great.  So if you do want to order badges, I can recommend this guy on eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140461780754#ht_500wt_879).  You can get the Conclave logo that I used here (http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/kaled100/Random%20Pics/conclave_badge.jpg).

- Dave

Hmm interesting I may have to dig out the button kit and make my own

I'd definitely want a Shirt.

Hey all,

I hope you haven't lost faith in me getting this done! I know it's been a long time since I first floated this idea, and I know I haven't been terribly active recently, but rest assured I've not given up on this. I had no particular drive to get this done for the IGT, as I wouldn't be able to attend, but provided the Summer Clave falls on the intended date of 15/16 Sept. I will be attending that, and therefore it seems like the perfect opportunity to distribute these t-shirts. As previously mentioned, I should be able to get these done for less than £20 as my girlfriend's parents own a clothing shop and so I have access to prices below standard retail. However, to get a quoted cost, I'll need to send them a copy of the intended design. I thought Gav's suggestion was ideal, and the only issue remaining to sort in terms of design would be names.

Do people want to do this as Dave suggested, with the names printed on the shirts? If so, then I'd need everyone to place their orders and specify what name(s) they want a reasonable amount of time in advance of the Summer Clave (but obviously after we've got a price and design finalised), so I could sort it all out. After the details are acquired, I can start taking orders and give a deadline for when orders need be submitted. This method suits me better, as it means I'll be certain to sell all the shirts I buy (as a reminder, I personally will -not- be making any profit from this! I will be selling the shirts for what I pay for them. Sorting this out, and using my contacts in clothing to get a decent price, is my attempt to give something back to the awesome community here, but at the same time, as a poor student (of Philosophy, no less! May the gods of wealth have mercy on me...) I can't really afford to make much of a financial loss on this, so getting them made to order ensures those that I pay for will actually get sold). The other big factor in favour of Dave's  naming suggestion is that it is the more aesthetically pleasing option

The alternative is to have it as Gav's original picture shows, with a white section for people to write in their own name(s). Obviously this is less attractive than the other method, but it means I can just order a batch of, say, 20 and turn up on the day and sell them. Personally, I think this is the worse option of the two, as not only does it look less professional, but it means I could end up with unsold shirts.

If we did do the former, and people who, for whatever reason, cannot attend the Summer Clave wanted to get in on the order, they can submit a request along with the people who will be attending and I'll try and sort out getting one posted to you (although you'll have to cover the postage costs), but you'll have to get in touch at the time i'm taking orders for those who are going to the Summer Clave as I want to get all the t-shirts sorted at once, to minimize organisational issues.

So, if people give their opinions with regards to the name design, i'll finalise the shirt design and send it on to see what kind of cost we're looking at.

A newbie's 2 cents:

I think Kaled/Dave's naming approach looks best, and if I'm honest I'm sure the 'Clavers are capable of organising a list of username/real name Orders. For example:

"I'm interested! Here's what I want on it:

Denzein
Harvey

Thanks!"

As for design from what I've read here common consensus appears to be to have the simplified ][ on the front along with the user/real names, with a full 'Clave logo on the back. I support this design, and I don't really mind how it ends up being produced - if there's a choice with that design (embroidery/printing - if one produces a higher quality shirt then I'm all for quality).

EDIT: Oh, and did I say I want one? No? Well I do :)

Well, in terms of design, we'll be going for  this one  (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1818.msg23686#msg23686) I would have thought, with, most likely, the final alteration of the name, if that's what people go for. Actually, that's a point, do people want to leave the words 'Inquisitorial Representative' on there, or have just the name?

A design like that will have to be printed. I've worked on embroidery machines before, and you couldn't get a design as complex as what people want on the back on there (or at least not on the embroidery machines I've used, and certainly not the one at my girlfriend's parent's shop), but earlier in the thread I asked whether consensus was to get a more intricate printed design for slightly more, or a simpler embroidered design for slightly less, and consensus fell with the former.

Thanks for the input, and anyone more opinions are welcomed!

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 27, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Well, in terms of design, we'll be going for  this one  (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1818.msg23686#msg23686) I would have thought

I can't really see too well in the mock-up, but it looks like it just cuts off the wires coming from the skull at the top and bottom of the =I=.  My preference would be to have them just disappear around the back of the symbol like I did on the badge I had made.

The post has links to the images themselves. While the breast logo does cut off, the back logo does not, and I'd assumed we were replacing the breast logo with  this (http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1818.msg24152#msg24152) instead, as we'll be doing away with the whole 'Inquisitorial Representative box' that was on the original anyway.

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 27, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Actually, that's a point, do people want to leave the words 'Inquisitorial Representative' on there, or have just the name?

I vote drop "Inquisitorial Representative", the fact that the text is quite obviously a name does away with the need for the extra words.

Yeah, I'd drop it - names and usernames is plenty.

i vote for:

(http://www.the-conclave.co.uk/tshirt_idea.jpg)

yeah, we'd need to provide cash  upfront afore the ordering but can't see that as a problem?

Ohhhh, thanks for that, Gav, that's great! Would you mind if i forward that (along with the larger versions of the images you've posted to this thread before) on to my girlfriend's parents, so they can use it to get a price from the printing people? It seems that the Clave has spoken regarding its favoured design, so I can start putting this in motion now.

People wouldn't necessarily have to pay me before I made the order as long as they're coming to the Summer Clave, you can just give me cash there, as that may be easier. As long as upon ordering people promise they will actually buy the shirts, come Summer Clave, I have no problem with it - I have met you all before; and I know you're a trustworthy lot. That is, unless for some reason or another people think it would be preferable to take cash before ordering; the only problem being that I've never sold anything online before (outside of ebay), so I wouldn't know how to set up the payment.

However, those who aren't coming to the Summer Clave who want to get one mailed to them, would obviously have to sort some way of transferring the money online before I send the shirt.

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 27, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
Ohhhh, thanks for that, Gav, that's great! Would you mind if i forward that (along with the larger versions of the images you've posted to this thread before) on to my girlfriend's parents, so they can use it to get a price from the printing people?

not a problem :)
i'd like

(obviously with GAV enlarged to the right length!) for mine please :D

Great, thanks.

When I do start taking orders, which will obviously be after I get a price, I'll need people to tell me what size they want, as well as the name they want on it. Will update this thread as soon as I get the info.

Update!

Okay, so firstly, we've had a quote back from the printing people, and factoring the cost of decent quality t-shirts (no point getting crappy cheap ones printed up as they'll just deteriorate) it should come to about £15

However, before we can print it i need higher quality versions of the images, to quote the printer's email:

"we will require better artwork than that what you have sent as it is not suitable for printing purposes.  If you print off the attachments, you can see that they are very pixelated, it's as if they have got them off a website.  I do require these in an eps, high res jpeg or vector file"

I have 0 experience with image manipulation etc... so i wouldn't know where to start making something like this, and I don't know if anyone already has a high-quality version of the files, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I'd really appreciate it! Otherwise, it's another £20 for them to digitize our images for us, which seems like a bit of a waste, if we can do it ourselves.

Sounds like a bargain.

I'd be wanting:


I can't offer any help with the image manipulation though.  I'm a bit of a luddite.

Ruaridh

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 29, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
I don't know if anyone already has a high-quality version of the files,

apparently we don't :(
several digital / arty people have mentioned doing some but i've not seen anything and lack the time to do it myself :(
ill dig out what i've got and see which one is the best :)

Cool, well if anyone can do it, that'd be great. As I say, I would, but I know absolutely nothing about digital artwork and image manipulation. Still, if we can't get someone to do that, then we'll have to add the cost of digitising the images to the cost of the shirt :/

This is obviously not completely identical (or finished yet), but I had a  ~2000 pix skull =][= emblem kicking around from the unfinished Amalathian cover, so I figured I might as well use it and start to piece together a ersatz of the old version.

(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/MarcoSkoll/Miscellaneous/headerWIP1.jpg)
(The full size version is 5000x2000).

May finish it in a couple of days or it might take a bit longer.  I've got to finish the stuff for the INQvitational rather more urgently than this.

That's awesome, Marco, thanks very much! And it's cool; there's no huge rush - the summer Clave is still quite a long time away!

Not a problem.

In the meantime, if anyone has any observations they want to make, please do so, as I make no pretences about being a graphic designer. I'm not currently doing any more than approximating what we had before, as I assume that's what people want.

I like it as it is, but just a quick thought - while there's no immediate rush (the Inqvitational is in nine days, right?), I'll be going to china from 24th of June until the end of august, and then I'm visiting friends in Cornwall for a couple of weeks. The upshot of this is that while my girlfriend's parents will be picking us up from the airport at the end of august, I'll have to move on to Cornwall after that, and from there, more or less straight onto the summer Clave (a busy time!). Thus, I'd like to get the details for the shirt sorted before I go to China, so that they can give me the shirts when they pick me up and I can then bring them on to the Summer Clave, otherwise It's going to be somewhat difficult to organise.

I hate to be a pain, and be too prescriptive with deadlines, especially as you're doing this for no material gain, but if you could get the designs ready for me to forward to the printers by the 24th of June it would really help me sort everything out. If not, I'll just have to hope I can get internet somewhere in China, and that this site isn't blocked by the Great Firewall.

The INQvitational is June 9th, and I'll likely have crashed out for a lot of June 10th.

However, I've already finished most of the remaining cables, which means I've only got a bit more to do before tidying it up (not having any decent vector editor, I'm sketching it with a graphics tablet - so there are a few rough edges to knock off).

I wouldn't be entirely surprised to have it done before June 9th - I'm just not promising it. June 24th should be easy, short of some huge catastrophe. (It's like an apostrophe, but it happens to a cata instead of an apo).

If I'm not done by after the INQvitational, feel free to start bugging me. Just don't bug me before!

Awesome, my thanks once again for taking on this task.

The only other thing, and I'm sorry to be a pest, but would you possibly be able to cut off the cables/neaten them for a HQ front image along these lines:

(http://buildyourimagination.co.uk/webdesign/conclave/icon.jpg)

So we have a version for the breast. You don't have to change the inside of the I to fit that at all, just try and make the cables seem more self-contained.

Apologies for the request; I would do it myself, but my knowledge of digital image work extends no further than basic MS paint, and I have a feeling  that if i do it there, the resulting image will probably lose quality.

Once again, I'm not hassling you for immediacy at all - any time before the 24th is brilliant.

Collectively, the wallets of we, the t-shirt buyers, thank you :p

Ahead of you there. The whole image is in layers, so I can easily hide/delete/move/scale/etc the different layers independently of each other. All the cables are on their own layer, so I can just get rid of them (or, if copying that version more diligently, clone the ones going into the side of the skull onto their own layer).

QuoteI would do it myself, but my knowledge of digital image work extends no further than basic MS paint

Don't fool yourself into believing that I'm exactly savoir-faire myself. I use a budget version of Photoshop that's four versions out of date.

However, I'm very very good at winging it.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on May 31, 2012, 03:35:34 AM


However, I'm very very good at winging it.

...Every time I've ever done anything ever.

Denzein
Harvey

For me! 15 is a bargain.

One order of "Bug me over this please".

My internal clock is absolutely shocking at keeping track of times and dates, so frankly you're all more than a mite lucky it didn't slip my mind entirely!

I'm disappointed in you. Not one person saw fit to bug me after my request. I had to bug myself.

Anyway, I may go back and tweak these slightly if I find the time in the next day or so, but these versions should suffice.

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1/conclave625.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1623/conclave5000.jpg)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9430/conclavei150.jpg) (http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/912/conclavei1200.jpg)

These are the 1/8th size versions, click through for the full size versions.

Hopefully large enough for the job. I was aiming for a reasonable excess over 300 dpi at "back of T-shirt size", but it's only now that it occurs to me I should have looked appropriate dpi figures up.
Mind you, 300 dpi would make a good poster print, so I can't see it being a problem for a T-shirt.

Right guys, now Marco's done these high-res versions, which I've forwarded on, I'll start taking orders. As I say, the plan is that I'll take orders now and then you can pay me at the summer conclave, and I'll give you the shirt.

So, what I need from people is a name for the shirt and a size. I'll say that the deadline is the 28th, so people have a week to get in their orders. I know it seems relatively soon, but if I leave the deadline as indefinite, things will be put off indefinitely and likely end up not being ready for the summer clave.

Remember; only order if you know you'll be coming to the Summer Clave, as any order to be mailed out should be sorted with me separatel;y via PM, as i'll have to charge postage. The shirts will cost NO MORE THAN £15, but may be a bit less, if we're lucky (i make no promises; assume it'll be 15 and then if i can do it for less it'll be a nice surprise!)

Example order:

Hi, I would like 1 t-shirt in size M with Brother_Brimstone and Richard as the name.

Hi, I would like 1 t-shirt in size XL with GREENSTUFF and GAV as the name please :)

Is there a reference somewhere as to the dimensions of these T-shirt sizes?

It varies enough between manufacturers that I've got everything between S and XL in my wardrobe.

Quote from: LordXaras on December 22, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
I know I don't really contribute much to this community these days (other than paying for the domain name), but I dug through the spider-infested archives of the inbox on my old abandoned email account to try to assist in this topic.

The logo and banner was designed in March 2008 by Scott Johnston (http://jnstn.com/) who approached me after I flagged for a need of graphic design folks for Dark Magenta and the New New Conclave.

Sadly, I don't have any higher resolution versions of the image, or any vector files. Scott might, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Hey, I'm Scott. Got your e-mail. I may still have the files for the logo but I'm pretty sure it's not a vector. It was just a really high res photoshop effort.

Found the original PSD. Not a vector but it's high resolution and all in layers so I can take away the wires and things if you want.

Am i too late for this?

If not, I'll definitely take one. Bloodpact and Jimmer. Just 1 should be fine in size Medium.

How is payment being handled?

Greetings from China!

Apologies I've been nigh-on absent from this for so long, but as I warned before, I've been teaching in China for the past month and a half, and my internet has been sporadic and my attention divided. The t-shirt sizes as I have been given are as follows:

SML = 35"

MED = 38"

LRG = 42"

XL = 46"

XXL = 51"

(sizes given are chest sizes).

The way I plan on doing this is getting all the orders in now, and then having you guys pay me for them at the Summer Clave on the 15th, at which point I will give them to you, thus avoiding postage cost for you, and logistical headaches for me. Remember, though - by putting in the order, you're agreeing to buy the shirt! As stressed many times, I won't be making profit from this, but neither can I afford to make a loss!

-If you can't attend the Summer Clave, send me a PM (as someone already has done) and we can talk about getting one mailed out (but you'll have to pay to cover the postage).

-The base price of the tees will be no less than £10 and no more than £15

-When you place an order say the size, upper name (conclave user name) and lower name (real name)

-The deadline for all orders is now 25th August

These are the absolutely final, set in stone details!

If anyone has already ordered and won't be at the Summer Clave to get the shirt, either PM me asking about postage, or post to say you'd like to retract your order.

Please work with me to make this as smooth as possible - my only goal here is to get some snazzy Conclave tees made for as cheap as possible, and the best way to ensure things go as they should is for you guys communicate with me as well as possible!

The orders we have thus far are:

-Greenstuff Gav - XL
-Bloodpact - M

A few others have expressed interest, but are yet to specify size and names. I'll try and look at this thread as regularly as rural chinese internet allows to answer any more questions in the meantime, but unless people need to know more, to place an order I need a post detailing size and names (if you're coming to the Summer Clave) or a PM with the same details expressing interest in postage if not by the 25th August.

Sorry for all the bold and official-sounding wording, between sorting holidays and summer internships, as well as working in a country on the other side of the world, my summer has been something of a logistical nightmare :P

Still, I'm sure it'll all be worth it once we have the shirts made :D

I'll need a large please (42").

Van Helser
Ruaridh

For the names.

I'll be at the Autumn (are we still calling September summer?) Conclave to collect.

Ruaridh

I should fit a medium, unless at some point I go on a mega binge or fitness drive.

And given the consensus on how names are being done:
MarcoSkoll
David

I add I will not be amused if I end up with MakroSkull. (I don't think anyone's ever garbled it that badly, but various combinations of Marko, Skull and Macro have been used on occasion.)

Quote from: Van HelserI'll be at the Autumn (are we still calling September summer?) Conclave to collect.

It does seem we've ended up with some slightly late seasonal Conclaves this year.

For the sake of avoiding a total mix-up, I'd hope we'd not be starting to call September the Autumn 'Clave. My best suggestion is that they become the September and December Conclaves.

Just a reminder that the deadline for this is tomorrow. I'm afraid if what we've got so far is all we have in the way of interest (4), it may not be worth doing this; interest seemed much higher before! Anyway, I'll see how things go, but if we miss this deadline, i'll probably not be able to have the t-shirts ready for the 15th and that'll be that opportunity missed.

Well, it looks like interest is insufficient to make this worth the effort, at least for now. I'm afraid I'm gonna knock this idea on the head, at least until we get an opportunity where a decent number of people will be able to get in on it.

Darn. How many would qualify for a sufficient number?

It's not an exact thing, but maybe if we got about 10 people together it would be better. my main worry is for us, the orderers, as the fewer people order, the higher the cost will be per person.

The summer is probably not a good time to organise something like this. Too many other things going on like the Olympics and holidays.

I would suggest you talk to people at the conclave event next week maybe even bring some order forms and try and get us all to open our wallets.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on June 20, 2012, 04:56:34 AM
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1/conclave625.jpg) (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1623/conclave5000.jpg)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9430/conclavei150.jpg) (http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/912/conclavei1200.jpg)

I was thinking, how about putting these on something like Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.co.uk/) so people can order whatever merchandise they want. (Not that I have any idea about how to do that, but I thought I'd throw the idea out there in case someone else has done something like this in the past.)

That's certainly possible, but I'd prefer to make the PNG versions available for that.
JPG was a specific request (for some reason) here, but I think Cafe Press will handle transparencies. And that will look a lot more professional than printing a black background onto a black shirt. (The blacks won't be quite the same shade, or even the same finish.)

I can also run up a bigger version of my own take on a site emblem...

(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/MarcoSkoll/favicon2.png)

... if people are interested. I think it'd work quite well to go on the breast, rather than using the same designs front and back.

Just to generate a bit more interest in the one-day possibility of this, I attended a t-shirt printing tech demo today with my girlfriend and her family and they asked for an example image to demonstrate a shirt-making method with. They asked for a vector, so thinking on my feet, I gave them Marco's (I hope you don't mind - don't worry, it's not being used for any commercial purposes, it was just a tech demo).

This was the resut:

(http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af8/Brother_Brimstone/clavetee_zps8124f5cf.jpg)

Which I will be proudly wearing to the next Clave event I attend. I know that wasn't the design everyone agreed to, I once again have to stress that this t-shirt was made as a demo of a printing method, but i think it looks damn good. What it does show us is that Marco's design is workable and damn good looking, although the guy running the printng stuff said that the design might be a bit too complicated for a small breast logo with this method (athough there are other methods possible if people wanna press for that).

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 29, 2012, 05:15:23 PMto quote the printer's email:
"we will require better artwork than that what you have sent as it is not suitable for printing purposes."

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on April 05, 2013, 04:15:59 PMalthough the guy running the printing stuff said that the design might be a bit too complicated for a small breast logo

"This one's too low quality"
"This one's too detailed"

Just can't please shirt printers, can you?

If we are looking for a simpler design to print smaller, I had just above mentioned the possibility of doing higher res version of the "Thrice barred C": (http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy3/MarcoSkoll/favicon2.png)
It might well be what I went with for the front if I caved into having one printed for myself instead of waiting for a run to be done.

Quote from: MarcoSkoll on April 05, 2013, 05:27:54 PM

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on May 29, 2012, 05:15:23 PMto quote the printer's email:
"we will require better artwork than that what you have sent as it is not suitable for printing purposes."

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on April 05, 2013, 04:15:59 PMalthough the guy running the printing stuff said that the design might be a bit too complicated for a small breast logo

"This one's too low quality"
"This one's too detailed"

Just can't please shirt printers, can you?

Well to be fair, there are two mitigating factors:

1) the printer today is different to the printer last time
2) this one is only too detailed to make small *by this particular method*.

Without going into excessive detail, I saw two different ways of printing today. The first, as you see above is one-colour and auto-cut and heat pressed onto a shirt. It's also subsequently the cheapest method by far. The other method is literally printing the image onto special transfer paper and then heat pressing.

One thing I was considering was that the method above need not necessarily be in white. Could be new-clave red or old-clave green. To do that design with a name and a www.the-conclave.co.uk on the back would be very easily acheivable.

Still,  remains somewhat in the air at the moment, because I still don't know what, if any, printing gear might be purchased by my girlfriend's parents.

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on April 05, 2013, 05:46:36 PM1) the printer today is different to the printer last time

I guessed that from context. I was being, as one might say, silly.

Haha, well to be fair, I could understand it being frustrating. Still, the vector you made is amazing, I'm so impressed with this t-shirt, so all credit to you. Also, because of its relative intricacy, it gave us the chance to see the limits of the medium of the first kind of 'printing' (which is more like cutting).

I genuinely think that the chest logo like that with a conclave web address and name on the back would be a cool minimalist design, and certainly the cheapest option fo a tee.

Still, as I say, it's all dependent on what my girlfriend's parents decide to do (which I obviously don't have a say in :p ), but that photo was my roundabout way of showing that I haven't forgotten about this project, and I'm trying to make it happen as much as I can :)

Well... it's not really a vector. I think I do have a freeware vector editor somewhere, but that was just drawing at really high res in Photoshop.

Quote from: Brother_Brimstone on April 05, 2013, 06:00:12 PM
I genuinely think that the chest logo like that with a conclave web address and name on the back would be a cool minimalist design, and certainly the cheapest option fo a tee.

the problem being, of course, is people need to add name badges; hence having the logo on the back (i like the large ][ symbol now i've seen it :D ) and the name on the breast :)

That looks good.

I assume that it's much cheaper to produce identical t shirts rather than ones with an individual's name on it as well as that design?  If there was a white box on the front, we could always add our own names in permanent marker.

Ruaridh

If the design Brother Brimstone went with was the t shirt I'd probably get one.  I hate designs on the back and little chest logos, but something like that with a strong design on the front I'd go for.

I think Marco's 3-barred C on the front as an emblem on the left chest - with the big 'clave =][= Brimstone printed placed on the back - would make a nice pairing.

And while I know black is both the traditional 'clave background and the "traditional" geek shirt colour, I generally dislike black t-shirts - even dark brown is a huge improvement in my books.

The thing to remember, if the shirts are for "advertising", is that when your gaming we're all facing into the table and we want to really catch the eye of people from 50 meters away in the Warhammer World gaming hall with what's on the back of the shirts.

I think Kaled's idea of cafe press or it's ilk has merit, the only issue is where does the "designers" cut get sent? Who runs the store account? Obviously at our core we're a group of established regulars who presumably trust each other to be fair and honest, but it's still something that'd need some sort of gentleman's agreement.
I mean, back in the day the obvious choice would've been Saussure, but to my knowledge his presence has been infrequent for quite a while now.

Maybe I'm just over-thinking, after all it'd probably sell up to 20 in the first year and trickle on for a while after, I wouldn't especially expect sales to ever reach above 50 lifetime realistically. Maybe we just straight up make the t-shirt fund what goes into the prize pot for the IGT each year?

If we did use Cafepress or the like then I'd suggest any money go to whoever it is who pays for the hosting for this site. I don't know if that's still Saussure or if someone else has taken it on...