A newcomers Attempt

[Myriad]

An ork grot would be more general knowledge than a fire warrior, but maybe he just did badly in training. 

It's just occured to me - how would a guardsman know a vinicare was a rogue.  Is it possible he inadverdently foiled a 'legitimate' mission?  That might get the inquisitions attention.  Vindicares are quite vulnerable if you can see them.  If the assassin's focus was elsewhere and he happened to find himself with a shot, it's believable.

[InquisitorHeidfeld]

That was sort of my point...
Any sniper, even a Vindicare, can be flushed or counter-sniped provided that you know he's there. The problem comes when you're reacting to a shot which you're only aware of once the mark's head has been splattered all over the inside of his staff car.

More important to me is whether a grunt (even in the Imperium's Elite fighting force, the Imperial Guard) would know of the existance of the Assassin temples, let alone the name Vindicare. And if he was aware of it would he be able to concieve of the possibility of one going rogue... Which is why I suggest subliminating it - perhaps it is still a rogue Vindicare but by never referring directly one introduces doubt and therefore interest.

[Dust King]

It's just occured to me - how would a guardsman know a vinicare was a rogue.  Is it possible he inadverdently foiled a 'legitimate' mission?  That might get the inquisitions attention.  Vindicares are quite vulnerable if you can see them.  If the assassin's focus was elsewhere and he happened to find himself with a shot, it's believable.

Inquisitor: "So let me get this straight, you're searching a ruined building for supplies when you spot a figure in black by a window"
Guardsman: "Yeah, it was pretty dark in there sir"
Inquisitor: "You open fire on the figure immediately..."
Guardsman: "Better safe than sorry, sir"
Inquisitor: "...killing one of our elite Vindicare assassins"
Guardsman: "In hindsight I made a bad decision there, sir"
Inquisitor: "You have no idea, you're going to have to sort this mess out"
Guardsman: "@$#%^!"
Inquisitor: "my thoughts exactly..."

Ah, the beginning of a beautiful friendship    
 

[MarcoSkoll]

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What the Heck? I'm getting the same thing, but it's still listed in the file folder. I figure MediaFire must have done something funny with the file.

Fortunately, I do keep proper off-line backups, and I've just reuploaded it.

More important to me is whether a grunt (even in the Imperium's Elite fighting force, the Imperial Guard) would know of the existance of the Assassin temples, let alone the name Vindicare.

This was mused over a while back. Some of the temples would be fairly common knowledge, others not.

Vindicares are probably pretty well known, as they're the most commonly used alongside the Imperial Armies. (If by alongside we mean several miles away, unseen - but they are the best set to be allies.)

In contrast, Callidus Assassins depend on being a secret, as their target even suspecting one of their allies is a shape changed assassin dramatically hinders their effectiveness. Even Inquisitors might well not know of them.

[MortalTurky]

@Dust King: that was awesome
Made progress on the background, coming new soon

[precinctomega]

the only decorated soldier who were unable to defeat a Fire warrior in melee.

"Couldn't fight his way out of a prayer meeting."

"Can't find the business-end of a fist."

"Would be pushed to win a scrap with a dead scavvy."

"Fights like a broken skymill."

R.

[InquisitorHeidfeld]

More important to me is whether a grunt (even in the Imperium's Elite fighting force, the Imperial Guard) would know of the existance of the Assassin temples, let alone the name Vindicare.

This was mused over a while back. Some of the temples would be fairly common knowledge, others not.

Vindicares are probably pretty well known, as they're the most commonly used alongside the Imperial Armies. (If by alongside we mean several miles away, unseen - but they are the best set to be allies.)

In contrast, Callidus Assassins depend on being a secret, as their target even suspecting one of their allies is a shape changed assassin dramatically hinders their effectiveness. Even Inquisitors might well not know of them.

I would suggest that any of the temples would be as well known as the SAS prior to the Iranian Embassy Siege. Or as well known as the person who "actually" shot JFK.
Perhaps there are rumours, perhaps in certain circles there are more detailed stories, perhaps certain circles have real tales based on real experience...
But I would suggest that (due to their placement well outside the normal theatre of the conflict) the deployment of most assassins would be unknown to most of the Imperium and even those in the know would probably only hear about "an operative" with everything else being classified.
Let's face it, noone likes to think of the side they work for employing assassins, so publishing information is not in the best interests of morale; snipers, operatives, specialists perhaps but not assassins. Consider also the wars which nearly shattered the temples - more bad PR with which you do not wish to associate...

Consider Clarke in the Clancy books, he's as close as we get to a CIA Assassin of which I'm aware - but he's an operative, an agent, a highly classified nobody.

[precinctomega]

he's an operative, an agent, a highly classified nobody.

[pedant]Actually, he's an officer.  An "operative" is the term applied to an employee-by-proxy (a.k.a. mercenary), whilst an agent is a source or volunteer infiltrator, rather than an employee of agency[/pedant].

R.

[MarcoSkoll]

I'd be inclined to agree that most of the temples are largely seen as legend or rumour, but there are certainly those that would be better known that the others.

Remember, the Eversors are largely used to remove traitors in a bloody, unpleasant and terrifying example to anyone else. As they're all about keeping people in line with fear, they have to be a bit more than just "legend or rumour". People might not know their specific name or even that they're one of the temples, but they will know about the terrifying and unstoppable slaughterers as more than a mere legend.

And like I said, Vindicares are the most easily used alongside Imperial armies... being, at their core, snipers.
So, while I wouldn't say everyone knows about them, I wouldn't complain about a guardsman knowing of them (although they might not know them by name).

[MortalTurky]

A little Threadnomancy, yes?

However, I hace know reworked Grimor´s background a little. I also dropped the Vindicare thing, in favour of a Lasgun (thx MarcoSkoll for the Revised Armoury, it is amazing)

Here he comes

Lieutenant Grimor Doigan, Veteran of the Third Armegeddon War
Survivor of the Morkanian 77th Heavy Infantry Regiment. He was decorated by his regimental commander after saving the life of the regimental Commander, from an enemy sniper. Remarked as a sniper, but also a good driver. He where often joked with by his comrades for being wounded by an angry grandmother on Emperors Day back at Morkan, she claimed he had been courting with her granddaughter. His defensive speech resulted in 2 lost teeth. Grimor established the first contact with the Inq while being seconded as muscle for an investigation. When his company took heavy losses and got swallowed by the other companies, according to Morkanian Customs. Grimor, being recruited to the Inq´s service, where supposed to be dead. After the investigation was completed the Morkanians where to join in a joint operation at the Bastion Stars, to deny the Archenemy entrance to Imperial Space. Upon arriving, they quickly made contact. According to reports later collected the Morkanians had been chosen to act as a rearguard for a tactical withdrawal, however, being betrayed by local auxiliary troops the Regiment where massacred, and worn as trophies by the Archenemy. Those news struck Grimor hard.  Angry and bitter, he fights with a rare fury. It is not against his enemies, but against himself. He loathes himself due to abandoning his comrades before their last stand. Forever hateful against the Heretic, he believes firmly that the Inquisition is the key to Imperium's survival. More than once been caught while crying in front of Imperial Altars, he keeps brooding about his comrade's fates. He see the Shadowy Wars held by the Ordos as the Ultimate Sin against the Emperor, he makes sure to kill as many sinners as possible.

Grimor is right-handed

He is Sharp eyed.*

Equipment: Sniper-Las** with Infra-scope, with Reload. 3 points of armor on entire body, 6 points on chest. Crude bionic right leg. Gas mask.

WS   BS   S   T   I   Wp   Sg   Nv   Ld
47   82   59   58   57   56   52   74   62

*Sharp eyed: After long training, Grimor is able to make the slightest movement, every little action by an opponent. In combination with his infra-scope, he have small trouble making out is opponents position. This give him +20 % to detection rolls, however just +10 % if he doesn´t have his gun.

**Sniper-Las: Being specially designed after instructions from Grimor himself, this lasgun is made to deal death from afar. Incorporating a Long Las barrel with a Stealth muzzle on a Standard frame with  a Skeleton Stock. The mechanism consists of a Military Magazine with a Hellgun grade Lasing Chamber (28 Megathule) and a Triplex-Phall Discharge Generator.

Name           Type    Range   Mode            Accuracy   Damage   Shots   Reload   Enc   Spcl   Modes
Sniper Las   Basic   D           Single/Semi(2)      +5        3d6+2    50              2   55      Low Med High

I have soon come up with a Adeptus Arbite too

[InquisitorHeidfeld]

@Marko
Yes, the Eversor in particular are going to have a reputation - though I might suggest that they're still more legends than anything else...
I'm thinking instruments of the Emperor's vengeance; Avenging angels as it were... I would suggest that the name Eversor is barely associated with them below the sorts of ranks which are handling the full thrust of the campaign...
I might even go so far as to suggest that, outside the High Lords of Terra not even the Warmasters are particularly aware of the Temples themselves, analysts determine the mission profile and make their recommendations to the High Lords (who then approve or block the deployment) and all the commander knows is that the High Lords have seen fit to assign an Intelligence Officer (ty PO) to the operation... Which would of course lead to much grumbling about "spooks" :-)


@OP
I think that's much better, there are places where more detail would be beneficial but then there almost always are :-)
I would perhaps question the last line though, sinners surely should be brought back to the light of the Emperor, returned to the fold as it were? Or is he now so fanatical that redemption is seen as part of the problem rather than a solution?

[Myriad]

Everyone will probably have their own story about bad things happening to enemies of the emperor, and no doubt this suits the powers that be.  Like the revised background, it's a bit tighter, with plenty of personal motivation thrown in.

He see the Shadowy Wars held by the Ordos as the Ultimate Sin against the Emperor, he makes sure to kill as many sinners as possible.

Is this guy at war with the inquisition in general then?  In which case, who's sponsoring his efforts?

[MortalTurky]

I am not really sure how I meant, it was rather late when I wrote it :S
But I think it is something like him being angry about Inqs who focus more on personal gain than their true cause

thx for comments