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im a noob, i need help ;D

Started by Littha, December 03, 2009, 06:57:27 AM

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Littha

#15
Actually in 40k both the mistress and the repentia have carapace...

And i was completely wrong about the armor on the two other sisters in the first group... they are supposed to have less than flack armor so robes and a little padding might be the extent of it.

In all honesty i want my leader to be bad-ass hence the power armor and probably a power sword/bold pistol combo, the other two will be less useful in a combat perspective but what I'm thinking of is:

An Inquisitor requisitions a Mission of sisters led by my canoness and proceeds to throw them into a meat grinder with no hope of survival, there are only a few sisters who survive this ordeal including the canoness who then hears that this inquisitor has gone rogue and takes it upon herself and her personal staff to hunt him down and bring him to the light of the emperor.

The Diologus and Hospitaller are support staff, have little combat training and will be pretty poor in a fight.
A Canoness Militant on the other hand probably has about 30 years of battlefield experience along with daily drills/training and meditation so she should be suitably kick-ass. I can't really see why a Sororitas would forsake power armor in all honesty as subtlety has never seemed to be one of their strong points.

Inquisitor Cade

Quotei want my leader to be bad-ass

I'd say it's more 'bad ass' to be under equipped and out classed and still have a go than to win by default by having OTT kit.

Quotewith no hope of survival, there are only a few sisters who survive

I don't think 'no hope' means what you think it means, but more seriously, if three sisters survive surely they wouldn't include the ones without armour. Scale it down a bit, say a battle sister squad, only the leader survived and she, plus the other two that she hooks up with later go on the vendetta quest.

QuoteA Canoness Militant on the other hand probably has about 30 years of battlefield experience
A lot more than 30 I'd have thought.
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Littha

#17
One mission of sisters in anywhere between 20 and 100 sisters, people seem to think a Canoness is like a chapter master for some reason...

I might rename her to a palatine as that is rank under Canoness and  the lowest rank of sister capable of leading a force but an important mission will most likely be headed by a Canoness.

The other two in the list will be part of the Canoness's personal staff not of the survivors as the sisters don't take non militant orders into a fight (though an inquisitor will in 40k) they will however get unique backgrounds when i get round to it.

Kaled

Quote from: Littha on December 03, 2009, 10:40:01 PM
Actually in 40k both the mistress and the repentia have carapace...
In 40k the Repentia do have a 4+ save; I wouldn't say that's anything to do with carapace armour though as they're not wearing it (or not enough to count!).  On the other hand, the 54mm Repentia GW released is wearing (partial) carapace armour.
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Adlan

Glad you found our conversation useful. It was good to meet you, and I hope you become a regular =][= player, the more in manchester the better.

As I said, the way I'd suggest building a warband is:
Idea-model-Background-Stats.

Definately not stats first.

Power sword and Bolt pistol? Way too much, especially with power armour. One or the Other. WHy not try a Shock Flail (you remember how nasty they are) or something more characterful. Bolt weapons are very powerful in =][=, as they should be, and so I'd be wary of having more than one, at most.

Palatine sounds good, exploring little known background is one of the benefits of =][=.

A Militant leader and her aides sounds like a fine warband.
Here are some models I think might get you started nicely:
http://www.eolithminiatures.com/page0/page2/page2.html
http://www.molniyafigs.com/khans.html

MarcoSkoll

Quote from: Adlan on December 04, 2009, 09:53:15 AMAs I said, the way I'd suggest building a warband is: Idea-model-Background-Stats.
Well, this is an area of obviously subjective thoughts.

However, I think opinion generally agrees that background definitely needs to proceed stats, and modelling should only follow Background/Stats/Equipment if one is prepared to do the extra work of tailoring to your concept.

I tend to have an an idea for a character, then develop strong concepts of character equipment and appearance, so I tend to do the hard work way of creating the model at the end of the sequence.

Quote from: Littha on December 03, 2009, 10:00:34 PMI'm going to be trying my hand at 54mm modeling with these models, notably 3 not 5 of them are in power armor though that's still overkill from what I'm hearing.
Power armour is very tough. Since I "graduated" from power characters, I don't actually have a single character in power armour. Lots of carapace (although it's rare for it to be full-body), the odd force field, and assorted other trinkets...

... but none of my characters have the mindset that would make them the type to wear power armour. (Really, I see power armour as a very Monodominant thing. You will rarely meet a moderate Inquisitor in power armour.)

Either way, I think of Power Armour as "Max of one in a warband - if that". I'd usually treat Bolters and Power weapons in the same way.
And generally, the three should be pretty mutually exclusive in a group.
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Birgen: "Pick a window. I'll demonstrate".

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Vladimir

It sounds like you know your Sisters.
What you need to remember is that just because your Sister couldbe wearing power armour, carrying bolters and waving power-swords around willy-nilly, they may well not be. If they're the last survivors of a masacre it's quite likely they've lost a lot of equipment, and furthermore power armour/bolt weapon/power weapon makes you pretty damn obvious as you stalk renegade inquisitors through the underhive. Just a thought.

Still, a Sororitas warband should be pretty cool. An oppertunity to bring out the high gothic side of 40k.
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Littha

I'm somehow certain that a high ranking Sister is always going to be obvious especially the Ordo Militant.

I am considering giving her a less powerful set of weapons but the Adepta Sororitas are supposedly armed as well as a space marine chapter. Chainsword instead of power sword would be a little nicer to her opponents wouldn't it?

The thing is i want the Canoness to be strong but her two helpers are going to be a little lacking in the combat department and ill likely be outnumbered in a fair game. Power armor/Chainsword is what I'm aiming for. Need an opinion on what would be better to take as my pistol, Bolt pistol, Inferno Pistol or Hand Flamer. Hand Flamer is more in keeping with the image in all honesty.

This being said i will have no psykers and nobody anywhere approaching radical as sisters seem to enjoy setting people of that kind on fire.

From the inquisitor models i have seen so far Demon Weapons/ Bolt guns dont seem that uncommon and there is even that guy in what looks like Terminator armor (Tyrus?) with a bolt pistol and a power claw by the looks of it or are the Games Workshop published characters massively overpowered?

Vladimir

Yep, the GW published characters are
Quotehideously
powerful.

Just because your two followers are not primarilly fighters needn't stop them from aquiring a weapon and learning to use it, if they have to.
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TheNephew

I think it'd be fine to have the Canonness or Palatine kitted out heavily - perhaps have a look at some of the holy-type weapons (anointed?) that are kicking about in the various articles and sourcebooks available rather than a power sword though.
A hand flamer or inferno pistol would both be quite fitting, if you bear in mind that in Inquisitor in most cases the enemy is more useful vocal than dead - so don't go straight out murdering potential interrogation subjects.
The Palatine doesn't even have to be a sole survivor - if the rogue inquisitor, arch heretic or other suitable nemesis committed a grave enough act against a convent (raiding it for relics, maybe?) then I would consider having the Canonness send them out as a search-and-excruciate team - hence the auxiliary role Sisters present, as they'd be more useful in the searching than a squad of heavy flamers. She just happens to have been provided with a few Repentia to call on should the going get tough, and a Mistress to oversee their repentance when the Palatine is otherwise engaged.