model comparison - Eversor Assassin and Arbites Judge

[Inquisitor Octavian Lars]

slick came with the damien parts 

[Sabotage!]

slick came with the damien parts 

Awesome! If you ordered the other kits at the same time, may I ask the following :Did Barbaretta come the helmeted Lucretia head by chance? Also Did the Gruss kit come with the Tezla parts? I've heard mixed things on that one.

[Heroka Vendile]

If you order new from GW then Barbareta has to come with Lucretia parts, if she doesn't, phone them, they are legally obliged to send you them as the product description states they are included.

Also Gruss has never had the Tezla parts packaged with him unfortunately - ebay is the only source of that fine axe these days.

[Sabotage!]

Also Gruss has never had the Tezla parts packaged with him unfortunately - ebay is the only source of that fine axe these days.

Ah, that's a bummer, some cool bits in that kit. Thanks for the clarification though!

[Lucidum]

Is anyone on this site particularly skilled at resin/plastic casting and moulding? Perhaps we should pool all of our collective oop and hard to find bits and conversion pack parts and have them cast, that way we can reproduce those that are nigh-impossible to find, that way said dwindling of parts can be stopped, so that Inquisitor can live on.

[Kaled]

An organised copying of GW intellectual property doesn't really sound like a sensible idea - it's likely to end with a letter from GW's legal team and is definitely not something we should be discussing on the 'Clave.

And anyway, I don't think the lack of those parts means Inquisitor is unlikely to live on - they cut them ages ago and we've survived.  At the time some people suggested  it would be the death of the game but it doesn't seem to have made much difference - people have adapted and we still see a slow but steady stream of newcomers.

[MarcoSkoll]

Organise the 'Clave's more talented modellers to produce some new 54mm "Gothic Sci-fi" models/bitz packs if you want, but err on the side of legality here. I rambled over some very Istvaanian thoughts on the matter of GW's diminishing Inquisitor support recently, and I still stand by it.

I got more out of getting off my butt and finding ways to deal with GW reducing the range and support than anyone has ever got out of being nostalgic about Inquisitor's heyday.

[Lucidum]

I certainly didn't mean to suggest blatantly violating GWs IP policies, I know they're very protective of that stuff to the point of paranoia (seriously, anyone ever heard of the webcomic eatatau?) I would say less blatant copying and more...community restoration effort. Have everyone pool costs for casting reproductions of a certain number of certain hard to find bits, then distributing them to each member that put money into the project. It wouldn't be selling or soliciting...

...still though, I'd say the only way to ensure the longevity of the game would be to have members commit to buying inquisitor models of the GW site. If they saw a meteoric rise in the number of Inquisitor model sales, perhaps it would prove to them that the game isn't dead and is worth continuing support.

[Kaled]

I certainly didn't mean to suggest blatantly violating GWs IP policies

Whatever you call it, it would still be a violation of their IP - your idea still boils down to an organised copying of GW IP by members of this forum. Obviously I can't stop you doing whatever you want in your own time, but it's not something we should be discussing on the 'Clave - this forum is far more important to the continuation of Inquisitor than a few OOP bits.

...still though, I'd say the only way to ensure the longevity of the game would be to have members commit to buying inquisitor models of the GW site.

Which I and many people tend to do whenever they need something, but even if every active member of the 'Clave committed to buying one model each month for the next few months it would hardly be a massive rise in sales. And it's not something that could be done anyway - I know that a lot of people here are on a limited budget and have to shop around for models so they can stay active in the hobby.

And I disagree with your statement anyway, the game will endure as long as people play it - we don't need GW for that and I'd say it's unlikely they'll revisit it anyway - why would they? Even if we did organise a sharp rise in sales, why would GW spend more money on the game? I firmly believe that the best thing we can do to ensure the longevity of the game is to keep playing and to keep supporting it ourselves. And if GW decide to support the game then so be it.

[Lucidum]

Alright, well no more discussing violations of GW IP, I didn't intend for that in the first place so I apologize.

And it's true that people are on a budget often, but with the highly rumored move from Metal to Resin for GW models, there's no guarantee at all that they won't just OOP every Inquisitor model in production. They've rapidly cleared entire ranges from production before and then waited many, many years to bring portions back as collectors range figures, who's to say they won't do this with Inquisitor?

Of course there's also the other option, that this retooling from metal to resin will mean they can take another look at all of the specialist ranges and revamp them since production costs will be (allegedly) cheaper in resin?

I definitely agree with you that the main way to ensure the longevity of the game is to keep playing it, that in and of itself is a given, and I fully support that. But it's no secret that there's only so many Inquisitor models in existence, a certain number of them able to be cast to order when from the GW site, but with each passing year the ebay sales and arcadian smugglers ring grows a little scarcer, and while many players can make due with converting larger GW main game models or buying from other makers of 54mm models, the pure, GW liscensed and produced =][= stock dwindles ever closer to exhaustion.

[Lucidum]

Now this thread is completely off topic by this discussion, perhaps the discussion should end here and be brought up on its own separate topic.

[Kaled]

Maybe GW will cut the Specialist Games range when/if they move to resin. Maybe they'll bring back some old models. (I know which I'd put my sixpence on.) But speculating and worrying about such things is not really productive. I'd much rather see people spending their time writing articles for DM or sculpting bits packs or models to cast rather than whinging about GW. Maybe we should organise another modelling competition and perhaps see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it. Or run more competitions to sculpt parts for a bits pack like Gav did for gasmasks. If you have ideas in this regard by all means throw them open to the forum and let's discuss them.

[dirkthe1]

see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it

Forgive me for carrying on the thread, but is this the kind of thing GW would do?

[MarcoSkoll]

...the pure, GW licensed and produced =][= stock dwindles ever closer to exhaustion.

Purity is for the weak - GW licensing means little and GW produced doesn't mean what they think it means. Contrary to their opinion of themselves, they do not produce the best model soldiers in the world - they don't lead the field in detail or quality.

As I said, it's time to move on - nostalgia won't solve our problems.

[Kaled]

see if we can find someone at GW to sponsor or judge it

Forgive me for carrying on the thread, but is this the kind of thing GW would do?

They have done it before, whether they would do it again is another matter.

GW sponsored the Conclave Hobby Competition the first time around when PrecinctOmega ran it by donating a prize, an unreleased model.  We had another sponsor that year, but I forget who.  The second time around I ran it and that was sponsored by Eolith Miniatures, Pegaso Models and JMD Miniatures who all donated models.